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Remembering Latah County and Idaho Life at the turn of the 20th century

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Date: March 03, 1974 Interviewer: Rob Moore

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ROB MOORE: I wanted to ask you first about Sweden.

TED SUNDELL: Talk to her about Sweden.

RM: Okay. You weren't born in Sweden, were you?

IDA ASPLUND: No, I was the first one born here. My folks lived in Sweden, they had four children, I was the first one born here.

RM: Why did your folks decide to come here?

IA: Well, I don't know. They heard so much about how rich America was. People telling, someone said they had wrote back, had said it went only a few carrots in a sack.(laughter)Stories like that. And I guess they heard it was such a wonderful, place, that's why they come here, I guess.^They found out different when they come here. They had to start to cut down trees to build a cabin.

RM: Where did they come when they came here?

IA: They went up,it's about seven miles from here. It's up the Deary road and you take off when you come halfways between Deary and here, you take off to, your left and there's just about mile off the road there. They went there and cut down trees and.make the logs and build the cabin. They built the , cabin there so it been standing til, I think they took it away now, but it's been there all these years. After my folks died we sold the ranch anscattered out here and there.

RM: Was it hard to clear the land at that time?

IA: Well I should think it would have been awful hard. 'Cause there was trees all over, you had to cut downfall those trees down and clear all the stumps out.

RM: How would you get the stumps out?

IA: Well, they had to shoot 'em up with dlyrianiite and theft they burn 'em. I remember it was fire in all them stumps. I could see those stumps on the field, they were kind of made fire down in the roots of them.And poked around and they had dynamite, lot of people had dynamite. When they plowed around there for quite a while. We girls had to get out and rake the hay around each stump. About that so they could go with the mower, with the They had a rake that they raked the hay with, the horses. I remember those stumps, but I don't remember when they disappeared. But I guess they lit fire in 'em and burned 'em. Some shot 'em up I guess with the dynamite. the whole stump comes up. That must have been hard. I wouldn't have want to done it.

TS: Sometimes they used to, cracked 'em,A sorfje dynamite, that would set a fire.That fire got to burning real good. So it started to get real hot in there. Used to go out in the manure pile out there and cover that stump up.

RM: What would that do?

TS: It just made it smolder til there was nothing left of that stump. Only the Just lay it there, it would work clear into the roots.

RM: Then would they come in with a breaking plow?

TS: They'd fill the hole up with dirt and then they could farm right over the top of it.

IA: There were lot of little roots in the ground from the stumps, I guess, or from brush, 'cause it was, brush you got up in the thick timber, I remember we had to go with the rake, long rake, wooden rake and rake those in piles. We'd rake those, I'd call it roots, or pieces of wood, all over the field.

TS: Work all the brush.

IA: Yeah, brush. We'd have to rake it in piles. I don't know, I guess we carried them and burnt them. There was no end to that. There was no end to that, really, we just hated But we done that.

TS: Them days they were bigger tress than - now. It was nothing to see one of those big yellow pines, the stump would be four foot across.

RM: Was there less underbrush in those days?

TS: That big timber was all logged off. And then this stuff that's up here around now, heck, that's second third growth now.

IA: I don't know if there was much brush, I don't remember. I guess there was more kind of trees. Lot of big trees. They cut 'em down and hauled 'em out to the mill. And some of 'em burned up great piles of 'em to get some room to build and...

TS: Lot of them big nice logs, they just kind of big fire started and just piled 'em up and burned 'em.

RM: Is that why Burnt Ridge got it's name?

IA: Burnt Ridge? I don't know why the called it Burnt Ridge.

TS: I don't know. The only thing, down the south end it used to get awful hot. Lot of fires.

IA: Maybe there's Burnt Ridge. I don't know. And Driscoll Ridge, there's names on all those places.

TS: That's the only thing I can say about. Take down around there where Mrs . Trout lives, that hill there on down to old Voll™*r it's nothing but rocks. It was hotter than, I'll say.

IA: They made a good living ih Sweden, but, I'll told you before, my mother she was born in '57. So you see, it's many years. But when she was a little girl they had to out and beg. They go from house to house, with a little can, or something I guess. They had, and the people that come take one handful and put in the sack for them. In each house that they come, they Ms take ft, handful and put in thesack and then by the time they come horn guess they had-'a little bit in the sack.

RM: full of what?

IA: Flour. Flour so they could bake bread. And some of them grind up^bark and make bark bread, they were so poor. My folks never did that. But she said that's what she did when she was a girl, a little girl. They had to go out, around, and beg for flour andNthey got a little bit in the sack by the time they got home, but then after she grew up,she made a good living in i Sweden. She had a little store that she sold tobacco and coffee and tobacco and little things like that. So she said when they left for America they had a lot of people owed them money and she kind of an apron so every time they come and pay her,she throw the money down in the apron and then she throw that in there. When they were ready to go she this here apron in a kind of wooden, I don't know what you'd call it.

TS: A kind of a small trunk business.

IA: Small trunk. It was about this wide. We still got it. My brotherA got it up there. It was made awfully well. She throw that down in there and when instead of coming here where they were at, this trunk went to her brother. In Minnesota, I guess, or Wisconsin or where he lived. And she said, and then he sent it back but he took out the money. She said there was, she called it a tenpence. I guess it wasAdime. And they call it different is Sweden. In a crack in the wood. That was all there was left of it. Her brother had taken the money. See how bad they were?

RM: They didn't stay in Minnesota?

IA: They just were there a little while and they came up here and took the homestead up here.And cleared that up and we lived there all the time til they died. Then we sold it. Now there are some other people own Ait. Up there, but the people that they sold to, well, there were several there. When one got it, he sold it, they set fire to the house and burnt up the house. To get a big insurance. It was in the summer. They could tell they had let the fire in, 'cause it was such a funny, it was filled with sawdust between the walls, it was filled with sawdust, and they wanted to burn it, they had lit fire in it and then went to Lewiston and one of the neighbors, he was crippled, he had a sore leg,he seen the fire so he went over to try and.pick out as much stuff as he could get out. The frigidare. And he said when the people come,"They were mad at me." He said,"I should have left it in there." See, they gave themselves away. They should have been reported, they shouldn't have had that insurance. They had high insurance, see. See they didn't get stuff, they wanted everything to burn. It showeA they had lit fire in the house. Other people would be glad to say, "I'm sure glad you saved the stove and the Stuff like that. And now it's a schoolteacher that owns it. They own several farms over there. It's about a mile off the highway, I guess. Between Deary and here.It's a teacher that bought several farms. Where there was a house, this farm joins it. They bought it, so I guess they're farming it.

RM: Ted, your folks came from Sweden too, didn't they?

TS: They came from where her folks came from.

IA: r hey come from Sweden too.

TS: Called

RM: Whey did they decide to leave?

IA: Whey did they decide to come here?

TS: Dad came to this country before he was ever married. He took a notion to come.In Sweden, we didn't have much money. On the boat, he had to travel fourth class, in order to have enough money to stay. And that was clear in the bottom of thflfcboat. So you couldn't see nothing only out of maybe a porthole here and there. So he came to Minnesota.

RM: Was that a pretty rough trip?

TS: Oh yeah.

IA: It took about three weeks. To get across.

TS: If on the boat.

IA: Yeah, them days. Now it takes about ten days I think, about three weeks and it was awful stormy.

TS: I think dad said he was on the boat for thirty six days.

IA: Yeah, then he went back and married, then he went back.

TS: He came to Minnesota and he bought florty acres of land. He worked for a farmer there. Farmer didn't have enough)money to pay, so he gave him this forty acres of land. But he got that, but then I think he put up a little log cabin or something. So then he didn't have enough money so he went back to Sweden and. carried.

RM: Did he know your mother before?

TS: He knowed her before he come.^They come and settled there. That was, ^was born in '95,my brother is four years older than I was, then I had another brother that was still four years older than that when he died.

IA: He died. You're the only one left. We were eleven in our family of Eleven children.

TS: I did know what year it was.

RM: It sounds like around 1885.

TS: Might hav€. been before that. Because, seems like it must have been.

IA: Where do your folks come from?

RM: They came from Nebraska and Texas.

IA: Nebraska and Texas, oh yeah. Where are your folks now? Do they live around here?

RM: No they live in California.

IA: Oh, they live in California now. Well, the people were strong them days. They could almost left anything. When they cleared the land, I guess it was nothing to take a log.

TS: about an incidence. It was there in Minnesota, had an Italian for a neighbor a little ways. He was an onerey cuss I guess. I don't know what all they done. But he was always doing something. He didn't like the Swedes, I guess. So the dog, had a dog, the dog got poisoned. He figured the Italian was the one that poisom. The dog was sicker than hell, he thought sure he was going to die, so he took the pole axe and hit him in the forehead to him out of his misery. So it was late in the evening, dad^figured the Italian was going to give it to him so he said, well, he throwed the dog over his shoulder and he went over and throwed it inside of his woodpile.That way the could have the stink. Next morning when dad got up, he opened the door there sat the dog. His head all swelled up and his eyes swelled shut. I guess the blood got to circulating and he got well.

RM: So it sounds like hitting him with the pole was the best thing he could have done for him.

TS: I guess dad said it was the best old thing he could figure out to save the dog.

IA: He wasn't hit.

TS: He was in terrible shape there.

IA: He wasn't hit hard enough to, didn't strike hard enough to kill him. I guess they let him live after that.

TS: Oh yeah.

RM: When did your folks move from Minnesota to here?

TS: Moved to Idaho, no moved from Minnesota to Idaho. In 1900. Dad came, he came west a year before that. Then he went back for all the kids.He landed up in Bear Creek. The place, I think own the place now.

IA: Maybe. Yeah,I think so.

TS: Sandburgs The fella that owned it at the time was old man Storm, Eric Storm. And they came, he had come from the same part of Sweden that dad did. So that's how he got to come out west

RM: Why did he decide that Minnesota wasn't the place he wanted to live??

TS: of tornados. Storms, lightening. Good , the lightening storms would come up and dad said you could take the newspaper and set out there and read it right along at night. Just one flash.

RM: Had he heard good things about Idaho?

TS: Well, see he corresponded with this old friend of his, this old man Storm. So then he decided to come out here and see how things was out here. Course I guess Storm bragged to him too. How everything was out here. So he have get out.

IA: I suppose the people that lived here, they wrote back and told him maybe. Maybe they wrote back and told him that they liked it and everything They all come over here.

TS: They called Minnesota "Young Sweden". All the Swedes come there directly. Then they come out west, he was here about a year, then he sent back east and got Ma and us two kids. Old man he met us down here at the depot and what was old Vollmer at that time. Old lumber wagon, loaded up all the trunks, whatever possessions we had. Them days,Athe wagon, they had a brake. It with a rope, long pole back there. I was sitting on one of the trunks, about halfway between where the driver was and the back end.And got down in old Bear Creek Canyon over this side of Flodin's some where in there. I was getting restless, sitting there kicking around. First thing I knew, I fell off of there. I got and head and chest on one side and the legs on the other side of that old road. On the rope. John couldn't figure out whyy the brake was going on going uphill. And you were... The wagon started to pull the horses, he looked back, there I was dangling in the line.(laughter)

IA: You were braking and that was hard for the horses. To pull up the hill.

RM: You were about five years old then?

TS: I was five years old.

IA: I guess he went and took you loose then. He stopped then I guess,

TS: He stopped then, I don't remember,..

IA: Got you out of the rope. He stopped and got you out of that rope. Well I remember that...

TS: ...wheter I had to crawl out myself or what, but I got out.

IA: Yeah, there were many funny things that happend, I guess.

RM: Did you all know Peri Johanson? Didn't he bring people out?

IA: Yeah, well I think maybe he brought some too. He wasn't, he lived up there towards where we lived, only he was around up abo^e Bendel's there, you know. We had a place a little further up about a mile I guess. Yeah, I guess he did. I knew them. I wasn't with them much, but I knew them. They had a mill and they hauled logs down there, the folks hauled logs down there. So...

RM: Did a lot of them homesteaders haul logs?

IA: I guess that they all cut down and hauled logs. I guess they did,'cause that's about the only thing they could do. OH

TS: They hauled their logs in the wintertime sleds,

IA: On the sleds. Yeah, I guess they hauled, 'cause one man fell off and got killed. One of the neighbors fell off the load and got killed. That

TS: Oh yeah,

RM: Would Peri Johanson pay in cash?

IA: Well, I don't really know. Well he didn't have, I don't know if he had anything else to give. I don't know.

TS: I guess they got lumber for a lot of it,

IA: Well if they needed lumber I guess they could get, I don't know if they got, I suppose they got money, I don't know really.

TS: They got some money. A lot of them early settlers, they was glad to get money too. They'd haul logs down there and get some lumber to build with.

IA: Yeah, but they hauled the cordwood to town,why they'd take flour, they sold the cordwood to a man owned the grocery store. And they'd take flour and stuff like that, groceries home. It was just a little pay. Three dollars I think for a cord of wood, after they hauled it all that, just think of it, after they hauled it way downtown. And then they had to cut it and every thing. They sure would be surprised now if they lived, even twenty dollars a cord is a lot.

TS: How they used to buy it back to Sweden,these fellas that came to this country, like the old man ft mart+'3 up there.

RM: Who?

TS: Brantig. He was one of the early settlers who came over to this country. So he wrote back to Sweden to tell 'em how good it was in this country. He said he came to town with a team of horses and a wagon but there was no bridge across Bear Creek. So the horse had to forge through there...

IA: Right through the water?

TS: Right throught the water and said when I got up on the other side of the bed of that, the wagon was filled with fish.(laughter)

IA: He just made that up. That's the kind of stories they wrote to Sweden and told them.

RM: Did a lot of people used to brag like that?

IA: I don't know. Some I guess did. I heard that they did, I don't know.^My folks didn't, but they said there was stories like that. They said so much fish that in the there, fishes was just, 'cause he drove over the creek. I guess there was just stories. He made up them stories, I guess. I never really did ask mama why they did come here, but I guess someone must have come here and they wrote back and told them that...

RM: Were they glad they'd made it?

IA: My dad hardly ever talked. He was a quiet man, he hardly ever said anything. I don't think I ever said anything to him unless he said something to me. But mama was different, we always talked to her. Well, I guess they were satisfied that they could have went back. They owned a little place there then, so they left. I don't know why they all, it's really prettier in Sweden. They said it's awful nice there. People have such nice homes and are well fixed now. People go there and visit,

TS: If you want to see how things looked in Sweden, that old book you've got laying, pictures of Sweden, 'cause a Swede writing and reading it.

IA: I've heard that they've got beautiful homes and they're well fixed. They'd made just as good there. I don't know why they all come here to America I guess they must have heard that it was...

RM: Things like those brags...

IA: Yeah, it was better here or something, but it was hard times 'cause they hardly got anything for what they had.

RM: Was Peri Johanson a pretty straight dealer with his sawmill?

IA: Well, I don't know. I don't really know anything about it. About how he was. I wouldn't say, they say you could cheat awful on the scales 'cause they didn't understand the scale, you know. They'd scale a log and maybe they just...

TS: They cheated so bad on the scales.

IA: They could cheat on a scale when they scaled a log, you know then they didn't have to give all of it, they didn't understand the scale. I imagine there was a lot of that going on.

RM: Did your parents buy a place or did they homestead?

IA: Yeah, they took up a homestead. They took up thsJ" homestead. That's where we all lived then. They took that up there. Well, they went up on Burnt Ridge and stayed with some people named Smiths. They stayed there for a while and then I guess, they went and took up a homestead. And built this cabin and built the barn and had cows

RM: Did your father start farming the place?

IA: Well, it was hard to clear up, I guess right away, and then when I got older he used to go out to the harvest all the time. He went out to Genesee country and worked in the harvest during summer.

RM: Why was it that so many people from Troy used to go down to thresh in Genesee?

IA: Why they went to Genesee? Well there's where the threshing was. There's where the fields was and I guess they must have claimed it up earlier, 'cause they always went to Genesee, wasn't it? And Colton around there? They'd be there maybe a couple of months and work in the harvest to get

TS: extra money. See country around there, there was no timber in that part, in the first place. Nothing but the bare hills.

IA: Yeah, it was easy to Lots of meadows And a lot of fellows homesteaded on those meadows, see they figured they could farm on that. They could raise awfully good crops on those meadows. Well they didn't think them hillsides was worth anything. after while they kept spreading out on those meadows and just started getting in those hills, they found out they could raise pretty good crops on those hills as they did on the meadow. That's how come that whole country is farm land. Hills and all. That was,Athe old timers down there, the hills down there, bare things, just sagebrush all over there. Bunch grass and sagebrush. They didn't figure wheat at all.

RM: What kinds of jobs would your folks do for extra money?

IA: Well they just haul logs to the mill and then he went out and harvest.

RM: Did you say your dad used to cut ties for a while?

IA: Then they cut ties and cordwood and haul to town^with horses. And the road wasn't stfaight like it is now, it was more hills, they leveled it out now when the highway come, but it was just a mud road, a dirt road. We used to go, we thought it was fun to see,N went in the mud, kind of made blisters, and we sat and looked at that. And then they hauled it on a wagon and horses. And yeah, we made a good living, we never starved, we always had plenty to eat. Even if drank, nearly everytime he went to town, he got drunk. But the horses would go home anyway and sometimes they'd tear off the whole gate. They were going so fast, the gate would go and everything.(laughter) But I guess they fixed it up. But I guess there was some left, whiskey wasn't so high then.

RM: Was Troy a pretty wild town in those days ?

IA: Well,it probably was. I guess it was. They had, I don't know how many no never downtown saloons they had. We were so young then that we very much. And then we never had sense enough to walk up and down the street like do, now. We'd go into this store,Louis Vollmer was the name of the man, we'd go in and sit while my dad got ready, and then we get in the rig and go home. We never went and looked around any place. We just sat in that store, just like we were scared to.

RM: Were you scared of the town?

IA: Well, Ijaon't know why we didn't go around and look. Iguess we didn't have sense enoggh. To go up and down.Course, Idon't know if it was so much to seeV^H^ople generally walk up and down the street to see, we stayed in that store til he was ready to go home and then we goi in. We didn't go V0i4%v too much. so that's the way they made their living, haul logs and cut cordwood

TS: I think there was four saloons at that time.

IA: Idon't know, I guess there was quite a few. The women never went in the saloons, them days. That was abig scandal if any women go in the saloon. Them days.

TS: There was he had one, Louis Vollmer had one.

IA: Christie brothers.

TS: Christie brothers, they had the saloon.

IA: Yeah, there were maybe three, four, I don't know.

TS: Thompson had a saloon.

IA: I don't see how they could make it. I guess there was always somebody in them.

TS: Them days, I worked for Olson, I had a spur down below town there, railroad spur, where:-they'd pile lumber to ship it out. All the sawdust was in an old gray down there in the mill. Then when they got this lumber down here ready to ship out, I came down with 'em too. I don't know, I had a lot of odd jobs to do around here. Well it come time for dinnertime. So Olson, the boss give me one of those great big gallon buckets. Says,"You go out to the saloon and get that full of beer." He give me twenty five cents. I went up there and he filled that thing chuck full for twenty five cents. Beer. how much beer was. YOu be able to buy a great big schooner for a nickle.

RM: Was, did the saloons cause much trouble in town, or were people pretty law abiding?

TS: Oh, they got in a fight now and then.They take it out on somebody.

IA: Yeah, we were too young, I guess. We hardly ever went to town. That was when we were real young when they had all the saloons.

RM: Would the fights be fist fights or, was Troy a real Wild West sort of town? Or was it calmer than that? Would people carry guns?

IA: Well it wild, I guess. It wasn't anything bad. It's just the police, he was so mad, and they treated him, that's about all. There was just mud, no streets. Just kind of...

TS: There was wooden sidewalks across the street. The street was nothing but mud. You come down there with a load, with the team and wagon, we had streets, probably had to go way up and then drop down the other side.

IA: ,different. Up at the schoolhouse there was a high sidewalk. As high as between the ceiling here.

TS: Right in the intersection, between the post office and the bank in that block there, that was the city well, right in the middle there,

IA: And there was a sawmill right in the middle of town, too.

TS: Go a little further down, there was the sawmill.

IA: We didn't know much about it then.

TS: When they in the sewafc here in town, I worked for them, we dug the sewer line in the street. From the hotel out towards the depot.We got down there about four or five feet and we run into big logs. They'd been buried in there to corduroy,to keep the mud and dirt off of the street. So they could drive through there. It was nothing but a swamp in the first place. Where the park is, that was nothing but a swamp.

IA: It used to be a big livery barn, where the park is,They hire horses.

RM: Is that the livery barn that Bill McGahan used to work in?

IA: Maybe it was.

TS: Billy McGahan used to work.

IA: They had, I think they had another one further up here too.

TS: That was That was Jones'.

TS: That was Jones

IA: That was down here in the park. I know they had a livery barn there, 'cause we'd go in , the fellas would go in and get the team and take the girls out riding.

TS: They had one right down on this other corner, right across from the Erickson's store.

IA: Yeah, there was one on that ground. I think there was a livery barn set there. And that's the only way they could get around. There was no cars. They hired a team and rode to dances. And drove all over.

TS: These young folks, when they got to town, got too drunk, too tired to try to go home, all they had to do, go * to the livery barn, and there was always a bunch of horseblankets, they could plop down there, sleep on the floor.

RM: You were telling me the marshall was a pretty bad man?

IA: Yeah, they said he was awful mean.(Pause in tape)

TS: I suppose I told youjiow they treated that Qld Hayes.

RM: I don't remember.

IA: Yeah, you told him. They drug him behind the rigs on the ground and tied him up.

TS: That was the Lidean boys

RM: Who?

TS: Lideans. They live out here to what they used to call old Nora. They was in town, it was in the: wintertime. He was figuring on arresting. So they was in the saloon, and he was out watching in front. He figured he was going to grab 'em when they come.So one of the boys, he went out the back door. They had the horses tied up{where the post office is now.There was a hitch right there. So he slipped out the back door, went over there, untied the horses and laid down in the slip,the box with Slim here,The one was still in the saloon, he waited til he was sure he had the horses all loose and everything. He was watching old Hayes out through the window there. Hayes turned his head a little bit, out he went and made a run for the sled. Hayes was right after him. Well by that time, he got over there, he jumped in the back of the sled, he was getting ready to drive off. And old Hayes come, he was going to grab him. .had long whiskers, so he just grabbed his daggone whiskers. Away they went.

RM: The guy who was hiding?

TS: Yeah, drug him on the ice, snow out, way up here on the hillside. It was on the old road that they turned him loose.

RM: He must have been pretty sore after that.

IA: I should think so.

TS: Fella by the name of Philip Strong, was quite a rounder. He'd get drunk and stuff. But he always rode horesback. I guess he figured he was going to get old Philip. I don't know how he caught him, but Philip always carried a lariat rope on his saddle. Anyway, he'd had that thing loose, pulled around there, and seen old Hayes comingKto get him. He hopped on the old saddle horse, he waited until Hayes got pretty close and he just dropped a loop over his pony, right around here, and got his arms all, tied the rope to the saddle horn and took out of town. And drug him on his back way up there about halfway up the hill before

RM: Couldn't the town have voted him out of office? he turned him loose. Well they didn't hardly dare to show up in town for a long time.

RM: I would think not. Did Hayes do a lot of things like bothering innocent people?

TS: He kind 6f got it in for somebody. He vowed he was gonna get 'em. That was his idea. He pulled once too many. They shot him.

RM: How did that happen?

TS: Well I guess Iwas about 10,12 years old.Sly]Paine lived in ahouse, was that pink house over there. There's an old house next to it Old Hayes started over there to get him. Got over there by the railroad track and Paine told him, he said,"If you ever cross that railroad track, I'll kill ''.." So he gave fair warning. He said,"You just look at that sign over there, that Grvfv Hotel, said,"I'm going to shoot fat .30 -.30. So he'll know I know how to shoot." And he clear across from the track over there with a .30.30 . And I guess old Hayes soon as he started across that track, he just cut his throat.He shot him right up.

RM: Did Sly get in trouble for that?

TS: He got five years for it, and maybe he was out for good behavior. Dad was over in town that day, he was over there helping pick old man Hayes up.

IA: They said he was awful mean. Idon't know much about it.

TS: Well he got it in for somebody... I A: I don't think he arrested my dad anytime. He really arrested him when he shouldn't have arrested him. He was just to get somebody all the time

TS: I don't know how it was.

IA: Well I think it was funny they had him for a policeman.Funny they didn't get rid of him, or kick him out or something. He wasn t fit for a police man. IT fits ift

TS: I think that went a whole lot in the early days, the Republicans they had I think that's the way it was with the cops, too.

IA: Well the people visit more, were more friendly them days. Now when they got cars, they stride out. When they used to have celebrations here in town. And they built a big bowery right down there, right down on this side. A big bowery. Just to have for the celebration. And then they put wild trees, they cut thersfirst and put all around it.And they danced there. They put up just to dance, to celebrate. They had just one day of celebration,

RM: was it a special occassion?

IA: Fourth of July. Yeah, the Fourth of July.

TS: They celebrate it for three or four days.

IA: I don't think they ever think of building a bowery now. We called it the bowery.

RM: What was the Fourth of July celebration like?What kind of things went on?

IA: Well, the streets were full and they went and throwed confetti at each other and laughed and talked and walked up and down the street, up and down. And went in and ate. They had big feasts.

TS:

IA: VW bi^at the hotel. And when there was adance, they always^ate, chicken dinner or something in the middle of the night, down to the hotel or something. And this old, had big lemonade stands and sold lemonade. Walk up and down, I guess, the street.

RM: A parade too?

IA: Well I guess, yeah, I guess they had aparade first.

TS: All kinds of things in the parade. IA- Yeah, 'cause I know we drove down, ilrode down once in a livery here.

TS: I was in the parade one time, me and.Ole Johnson. We dressed up as Mutt and Jeff Just a little short guy. big long nose. Got black face too. IA; They haven't had any celebrations since you've come here, have they? They used to have it every year here, not too long ago. The haven't had it the two last years. They used to have a celebration here, they call it Old Timer's. I don't know, they planned to have it last summer and then they changed their minds. I don't know how they will this summer.

RM: Will there be games and contests?

IA: Veah, it was kind of like a fair. And you'd see horses all over the hillsides, here parked. They'd loosen 'em from the rig and gAve them something to eat, I guess. They'd be parked all over where they could find room.

TS: Concessions all along each side of the street.

IA: YEah, they sold hamburgers.

TS: Anything they could stir up.

IA: Yes, it was a celebration. Yeah, we thought it was a lot of fun at the celebration.

RM: Were there fairs here in those days too? Like County fairs?

IA: Fair? No, they didn't have anything to show. They used to pick, they used to try to pick some of the prettiest girl and then have her in a cage, in a box to show off and down on the streets. I remember her name. She was the daughter of this Mr. Johanson.Hulda, her name was. She sat in kind of a little booth. Peofile Could look at her. I don't remember, they had stands where they sold oranges and, or lemonade and orangeade. Stuff like that. Idon't remember much]really what they had.

TS: LemTonade stirred in the shade by an old maid.

IA: I guess they just walked up one end of the street to the other,

TS: That used to be the old saying.

RM: What kind of things did folks do on other celebration days? Like Halloween?

IA: Well, there was, we didn't know any Halloween when we were kids. In the later years did, we got bigger. Fourteen, fifteen years old. All Halloween,they'd go and tip down the toilets for people.

TS: I was out on Halloween when I lived up at Burnt Ridge, I was,about 14 years old.

RM: What kind of stuff would you do?

TS: What didn't we do? Well them days, all outside toilets. Well there wasn't a toilet standing theAmorning.

IA: At home it was fastened to the woodshed, we couldn't, they never did touch it, but they went and pushed down the toilets, I guess, is all they did, wasn't it? Halloween.

TS: Went over to Carl Anderson over there. He had a span of black driving horses hey beauties. And old man Deleany had apair of buckskin horses, they was thin; skinn .So we went over there, took their good,nice horses out of Anderson's barn, put 'em...

IA: Exchanged.

TS: And put the yellow fellas in the barn. That was one Halloween, the next morning, Carl Anderson leading the old yellow horse back. went over to Carl Anderson's and he had a calf. Pretty little calf. And the barn, it was a big barn and the slope on the back side against the back sloped the way it does now. And he had a bunch of, what we call rails, them days, used to build fences out of. We tacked them on top of that barn and made a platform. Put some boards in there. And then we built a corral around it. Got the calf and put the calf in this corral.

IA: Up on the roof.

TS: Way up on the roof. The next day^about ten o'clock, nine ten o clock, the telephone rang over home. Said he asked pa if it rang four longs. He wanted everybody to listen. That Carl Anderson was giving a party for all of the young folks. When they all got there mother said before we have anything to eat, we got a little problem(laughter).

RM: He sounds like he took it in real good spirtis.

TS: He took it in good spirit. Veah, you done more tricks than we did. Well you were boys. I remember they just went and pushed down toilet- and the women were, I guess one boy fell in. So she said, that was a good smell for that boy," she said. That was one of the neighbors.

TS: One thing they did, tipping those toilets over, two guys get on a saddle horse a piece. And they have a long rope, they just throw that rope over the toilet and away they go. And sometimes they drag it a long ways. But then, we'd take, one time, we went and took his lumber wagon. Them days they had those great big 4rough5 for we took that old lumber wagon and a long rope and of the some of us got the end .rope and went clear around and then we run that old wagon right out in the middle of that sitting out there. One fella, he£ said,"We can't leave that rope in there."He took off all his clothes and went out there and the rope off. Several times we took buggies and put 'em up on somebody's barn someplace.

RM: Did many people, where were the grownups when this was going on?

TS: This was way up in the night. We startsin the evening. We started after midnight. We kept on til morning.

RM: Did they ever get on to you and stay on all night?

TS: Some of them did stay up late. Half of us, maybe two or three other guys would be standing watch^for us. The other fella would be over there doing the dirty work.What happens too if somebody comes, just give a whistle and away we'd all go.

RM: What other celebrations?

TS: Midsummer picnics.

IA: They used to have the 24th of June they always had a picnicK In the woods someplace, all the Scandinavians. They'd all bring their dinner and then they'd have a program.

RM: Vhat kind of a program?

IA: Well, there was ministers you know. So we did sing and I guess read out the Bible.

TS: Preach. and eat.

RM: Was that a custom from the old country?

IA: I don't know, maybe it was. See they quit that now, but they used to have it, this Lutheran church used to have it. We had it up Where we lived, up from that church. They moved that church down there by the park. That's the church we used to go to. Everybody would go there, they'd pick a place out in the timber. Close to a road. And this is off and on the Lutherans they used to have aways out there, but they quit all of that now. They have, Iguess their ministers would read and they'd sing and then they visited. We*thought it was fun to go. We always got anew dress then for that. That was about the only thing. And for Christmas, I guess. We always supposed to have ainew dress for Midsummer. The 24th of June. But that's something out of the past too.

TS: They used to have sports going, like horse, pitching horse shoes and tug of war and Iremember one time they had out here McGahan sout here, they called it where.those trees are, they had atug of war there between Troy and Moscow, On a long rope. And I think there was twelve on each end. See who could drag the other one over the line, John Delean, nobody was paying much attention to him and John, he got over there and he started to count 'em,It looked like Moscow had one more man on their side. He didn't say a damn thing, he just walked oyer there and he just floored him, just knoced him clear off,

RM: He knocked off the end guy?

TS: No, he took it in the middle.They had big heavy fellas on the end, But he took the one next to the C there, right in the temple, He just went over like he was shot,

RM: Who VAon the tug of war? hi.

TS: I don't know who : was, the Moscow guy.

RM: Who won the tug of war? TS; I cfcon't know. IA; You didn't live hereftI guess, when they had Well they haven't had the two last years. But they had a celebration, Had a parade about ten o'clock, parade and have kids to run. And then they had log sawing out in the park, they had log sawing, see who could saw the most logs. Saw up the most pieces. The fastest. So the park was full of people, They sat all around there. And then in the afternoon they had a , they d I never went there. And then they'd play ball. So the whole day went. And then in the evening they danced.They had dances at different places. It was real nice. You got to see, it was nice, they had benches. Maybe they'll have it this year you can see it. You got to see people you haven't seen for many years, And people come for this, It was real nice. You sit on the benches and visit with people and went and eat. They always went and eat some places,

TS: Last time they had it out there was two years ago,

IA: Yeah, they haven't had it for two years. They call it Timer V Day,

TS: A fella came up from California, I haven't seen him since we went to school together

IA: You got to see people, They quit everything, they even quit ringing the school bells, I don't like that, I like to hear the school bells,

RM: What other things would be a cause for a party or celebration?Did they have shivarees?

IA: Oh yes, they shivareed everybody that got married when Iwas a girl, They always went to shivaree them,

RM: Did you get shivareed when you got married?

IA: I think we got shivareed before we got married, They come home once,

RM: Agoing to shivaree us, but we weren»t married. But IdonM: think we had any after we were married, do you remember? They went to shivaree, any body that got married, they went to shivaree them,And they had lunch there, But they came there once and we weren't there, we wasn't even married, I don't how it was that time, I don't think so.

TS: Oh yeah, they had shivarees for a long time.

IA: They'd go and shivaree people. They quit that too, I think. That was the custom.

TS: The old tin cans, all the scrap they could find. They'd leave that right there in the yard when they left. Then they had to clean that up the next day then.

RM: Why would people give shivarees ?

IA: I don't know.

TS: It was just to have a party,

IA: come and have awhole lot of stuff to knock on, you know. Tin cans and I don't know, anything they could find, And then they'd come in front of the house and then they'd start in like "thing, And then you knew it was a shivaree.And then I guess they'd ask them in to have lunch,

TS: They probably had a shotgun, people shooting it,

IA: Well, I don't know how they did it,They always used to shivaree 'em but they quit that too, I don't hear they shivaree people anymore now? That was the custom, .

RM: Were there things like, I've heard dances in some parts of the county were called 'kitchen sweats'. Ever hear of anything like that? Get a fiddler in the kitchen and people dance and sweat?

IA: I never heard of that. If they had it, I didn't know anything about it,

RM: Wouldn't they have dance parties in a barn?

IA: When I was a girl, they always had dances out to the farmfl. Yeah, we went to many, and Deary, we went to Deary to many dances, And then they had in the farmhouses here and there. Different farmhouses they had? weM go there and have lunch and dance. Some of the neighbors would play, that knew how to play. They didn't never hire somebody, there was always somebody to play the violin,

TS: They used to have a bowery up here along the highway, right out of town up here, They used to have a dance up there every Saturday night, I guess it was.

IA: It was up where those houses were. It used to be a great big bowery there, but they tore that down.They had dances there.

TS: Big round bowery. They had a great big bowery. They had a dance I guess every week. That was many years ago too, I guess they tore it down. It was up there That was all hardwood floor. Sixty, seventy feet across Yeah, it was big. Lot of crowds went there. In the real early days, what would the homesteaders do for entertainments? The folks didn't do anything, that I knew of. I don't think they had anything. Maybe some visiting between each other, There wasn't anything, We had a schoolhouse that we went to school in and they dances there, often. And then they'd serve coffee and sell sandwiches. But that's gone, they tore that down.That was up close, not very far from my home, up on that hill But that's tore down now, I don't know what the old people, I guess there they had dinners that went together, That's about all I know that they had, The folks never did go to any dinners anyplace. I know "people did. They'd have dinner on Sunday, Did they use to have celebrations after harvest? Didn't you -used to work in a cookwagon? Yeah. How many years did you do that? That's, I think I was about 20 years old. Did you just do it one season? Yeah,, one season. What was that like? Well it was hard work. I don't see how I could do it 'cause I was just a skinny little girl. I didn't weigh a little over a hundred pounds, I guess you seen that picture that was here. You seen the picture of the cookwagon, I was standing there. I had long dresses then. I'm the first one of them. My husband's sister is the other one. I had to be kind of the main boss is what I should say, I don't see how we could do that. I think we had to have breakfast at five o'clock,

RM: How many people did you cook for?

IA: Oh, it was about 25-30, They had bundles them days, so they had to go and gather up the bundles, And they had to have breakfast early and then I guess dinner at eleven, then they didn't eat supper, then they -"Munch in the afternoon, they didn't eat supper til they got through. Seven,eight o'clock, And that got late before we got to bed, So I don't understand it, Well, you can do most anything when you're young. But I been thinking many times, and we had to bake all the bread a little bit of a stove that, there was room for the teakettle and a coffee pot, I don't see how in the world we could do it,

RM: Would you have to make a big meal or would they do with a lot of one thing?

IA: Well we had to have big meals all the time, You had to have a big breakfast and you had to have a big dinner and a big supper, Meat and potatoes and vegetables, and I guess I had made pudding one day and when they moved the cookwagon, one dish fell out of the oven, And my sisterrin^law, she was kind of scared, she hurried and put some wood over it, Well I didn't care because it fell out, but she was afraid the boss would say something. And I never forgot that, because when this rolled out, she hurried,, some sticks of wood so he shouldn't see it, Well it didn*t bother if he said anything, I just said it fell out, I guess we had to make,Vause we never could tell when they were going,

IA: And then we had to onto things, so they wouldn't fall down, you know, but I guess they shook the stoves up. One of the pudding pans fell out.

TS: The horses on that would move.

IA: I don't remember if there was anything left of it or if we picked up some of it, I don't know.

RM: How would they move the wagons?

IA: I don't know,

TS: It would all depend on how big the field.

IA: How big the field was, I guess, They had to have the cookwagon pretty close to where they worked. I don't know, I guess we stayed a few days,

TS: Bundle rigs, you know. There was a man for every bundle rig, Bundled in the field and there were several men to pick up the bundles and throw 'em into the wagon,

IA: Then when they come from the wagon they had to throw 'em in. the machine, fS; When they come to the machine, those two spike pitches, they helped unload. Then there was the and then there was two sack sewers and a jig, That was a fella took care of the straw piles so the head wouldn't plug up. Then it was a roustabout,

IA: Yeah, he brought the food,

TS: Routsabout, and then there was the two cooks, Then the boss, then it was the boss too,

RM: Did you eat with the men?

IA: We had to hurry and pour up coffee and, no we ate after they got through, And it wasn't very big wagon either,kind of crowded, They had tables, and benches all along. But they were awful nice, I just cooked one year. It's hard work, but we had an awful good roustabout,Nhe went to town and got all the food. If he seen something nice to eat, whether we ordered it or not, he brought it home, Iknow once he come with about ahalf a sack of corn. And he satMown and cleaned it, shelled it for us. He helped, He was an awful nice man, RM; Was that his job?

IA: Yeah, that was lis whole job. To go to town and get eats,

TS: Eats and gloves and socks or anything.

IA: What ever they wanted. His name was Irv Drury, he was awful nice here, I wished often I'd see him here.AHe brought home the corn and got it all ready so we could put it in the kettle, I don't see how we could find room on that stove for the food. I been wondering many times. 'Cause they had to have a big coffee pot. And a teakettle,

TS: On the top of that stove,

IA: One of those small old fashioned stoves. They should've had a big stove when they had that many men. I don't see how we could do it,

TS: They wouldn't have got a big one in there.

RM: Would the roustabout haul wood for the stove?

IA: Yeah, he'd hauled everything, Wood for the stove and,

TS: Water,

IA: We slept underneath the cookwagon, And I'd run up first and sheM say,"T don't see how you can run up." my sister-in-law said see how you could run up so quick." We were young. We slept good you know and jumped up and we had to get breakfast in an hour, I think they had to eat at five o'clock,

RM: Would somebody wake you up?

IA: No. We woke up, I woke up myself and run up and hurried and got breakfast and then they had lunch, I think they had lunch in the middle of the day, We had to I guess the roustabout took out some sandwiches and coffee,And then bake all the bread. Just think of it. Now they buy everything like that.

RM: How much did you get paid?

IA: Well we were supposed to have two dollars a day, but I don't think we got paid for the last weeks. I don't remember, It started to rain, Two dollars a day is what we were supposed to have. On the other end of this cookhouse there was afifty gallon wooden barrel. The routabout had to keep full of water, Yeah, they had to have water too, It's kind of interesting. I've never have been areally strong person. It was really too hard, almost, 'Cause you didn't get much sleep 'cause you had to hurry to get through by ten o'clock with all the dishes and everything. But they were real nice.

TS: The good old days.

IA: Yeah, it was hard work then, fhey had to piek up the bundles and get,in there, and when they eome with the machine, haul them to the machine .Them days they had aman that run in sacks and then they sewed 'em. They had to hurry up and sew them quick too, you know, To get sewed so they wouldn't run over,

TS: sewed on I sewed for two dollars a day, Fourteen hours a day,

RM: How many seasons were you a sack sewer?

TS: Fourteen.

IA: How many seasons?

TS: Fourteen seasons.

IA: Oh. My husband was a superintendent. He looked after the machine,. And he looked after, as long as there was nothing wrong with the machine he didn^t have anything to do.But if it was wrong, he had to repair it.Him and the boss.Yeah, that was in the good old days, I guess, Tn the good old days, it's different now,

RM: What was sacksewing like?

TS: Well.

IA: Well you had a big needle with a long needle, you had twine on it,

TS: You had a gunny sack. It was about that wide across the top, it was about that long,

RM: Regular Jsack size.

IA: Yeah. TS; You on a spout. The spout that came down is divided,

IA: Rund down in the sack.

TS: So you fill up, the empty one, you fill one on this side and you got your filled, you kept jigging it down til you got it full. Then you switch it over on the other side. Then the other sack sewer take care of that side. You jig that thing down and take it over here where you had a place to set down, then you had to shape it. The top, and this side your right hand folded this side in and the other over the top,

RM: Did you overlap it? IA; Overlapped, yeah. TS; Overlapped, Then you took, you had your needle hanging right here. Pull the string out. Then you took your hand like this. Laid that end by the furthest A«ar you and tied it. Then you went around with this one then looped this over and brought it up tight.

IA: When you started to fix the sack on top,

TS: You fixed the sack,

RM: Right, after you shaped it,

TS: You shaped it. And when you get the sack sitting between your legs, then you shape that ear furthest, away from you. Kind of pull it together,Then you come over here, you get your needle and your thready YOu sitting on that 'cause it was a big skein. The eye of that needle, you didn'-t have to put the end through, it had a spring in it, You know, the , Then you pull that out, took the string in the left hand and laid it this way. With one end sticking out, throw this other one under your right hand, around there. Then you took the left hand and put it over there and then you pnlled that up tight,

RM: Make a loop around the ear,

IA: Loop around so it made an ear,

TS: Double loop around the ear, see. Then you start asewing on the first stitch it took, you take it right underneath the ear, So be it was tight. Then you put eleven stitches on the wheat sack, til you got to the other end. Then you put a double loop on that thing and pulled it up tight,

IA: And then it made a knot,

TS: All you had to do to unthread that thing was to flip the needle, give it a pull like that. It had aknife in the back end of it, then you reached down here and flipped the back end of it up here,

IA: Then you have to carry it maybe,

TS: Then you had to pick that sackyup and put it on your knees, get up and maybe walk fifty feet. To pile 'em up. Then you had to be back there in time to take care of your sack,

RM: How heavy were the sacks?

TS: About hundred and thirty five pounds,

RM: And you had to repeat that?

TS: Yeah,

IA: Just keep on as fast as they could.

TS: Me and Clem Harris, out there on Burnt Ridge, We went out to sew sacks on Burnt Ridge, the two of us. No sack yanker or nothing it was just the two of us, Went down the lower end of Burnt Ridge down to Paul Carlson's, And we sewed, the two of us, sewed eight hundred sacks that day and moved twice! Sewed up And we was both sewing. We hadn't done hardly anything for a long time, I tell you that was two of the tiredest men you ever saw, And the worst of it was your hands was stiff, The time you sewed, that maybe, that string, pulled the dang strings get so sore, Oh boy. And your hands next morning were just like that. Couldn't hardly move 'em.

RM: How long would thrashing season last?

TS: Well... RM; How long did you travel with it? TS; That all depend upon the amount of grain that we got in too, As I say, it last from 25 to 30 days. Most of it. But one year I worked for Old man Payne, we thre; shed down in the Genesee country, we was down there for about 30 days. When we came back Troy was going to move home, When we got home they got a bunch of up here by Avon, Some stacked grain up there. We moved up there. Put in ten days up there before we got through. We shook snow off of some of the bundles up there before got through. The last place we were at, they had those ever^bearing strawberries, By golly, we had real good, honest to god cream with strawberries on the suppertable, They was boarding with the farmers up there, I tell you, that was delicious. Hungry, man!We could have eat- anything, po

IA: You could have ate a pig if had it,

TS: I think so.

IA: Do you remember what pay you had?

TS: I think it was two and a half a day. We had two and a quarter, Then we struck for two bits more. So we had two and a hand towards the last,

RM: Do you know if the men who owned and operated the threshing machines made quite a bit of money?

TS: They never got rich. Like Charley Smith says, I was working for him one year buy this thing, By the time this thing is wore out P)k should make enough some could buy another one,

IA: Wasn't much pay, You had to work awful hard for little pay, Just think the wages people have now. Well a lot of 'em had a thousand a month, I know just common laborers have about a thousand a month. Just think how people, everything is higher, but then anyways, I wonder how long ;this big wages will last. Nobody knows,

RM: You were telling me about, was it your folks that had a homestead above Clarkia?

IA: My dad had a homestead above Clarkia, But he didn't get anything because So it was a railroad scrip on it. They didn't tell him that, I guess. he didn't get anything. He went there many times. Awful, it was awful hard to get there. They had to have pack horses way out in the timber and he built the cabin there and cleared an acre, you were supposed to clear an acre. But then they kept saying the railroads, he never got anything but the others got about 10,000 for it. The other people that sold it.

RM: How did your dad find his homestead out here?

IA: Well, I don't know how he found it, I guess^somebody told him that there was homesteads to take, I guess, maybe the people that these Smiths out there on Burnt Ridge. They maybe told him. Maybe he foundAout before he come, I don't know. We never thought about asking anything about that. I guess maybe they told him it was homesteads, My dad couldn't even write, of don't think he hardly went to school, He made an 'X' on something. But my mother, she could write, She was smart, He wasn't so dumb, but he hardly ever went through school, In Sweden, But she went,

TS: Didn't have time to go to school,

IA: I don't know. Papa said he run around til he was fourteen fifteen years old.

TS: that mother of yours,

IA: I didn't know anything about their folks anyway,

RM: What were the schools like here?

IA: They were good. We happened to have awful good teachers. Real kind of little older women, It wasn't, yeah, we went but we couldnM: get to go? I guess maybe fifth or sixth grade is all we got to go. Because we had to be home and help my mother. We had to be home so much, But we learned real good when we went, 'cause Iwas telling you, one teacher; we was so scared. We had to go out in front, stand in front.^We all had to march and we were so afraid we wouldnAt know our lesson, It was terrible how seared we were, And the teacher, she said,"Well it would take 75 angels -to be patient with you kids. And I'm not one yet,'' And I never forgot that. And I never forgot what she said. Her name was Miss Aiken, That was up in the country school.

RM: How would they keep the students in line?

IA: It was easy to take care of them, the kids^in them days. They didn*t even dare to turn around. There was a girl who was awful poor in school and I guess she was trying to copy from me or something, and she just turned her head a little bit, you know, she didn't dare to turn around,They were awful strict there, didn't dare to do anything. I know one boy, he told me after we got grown up, I didn't remember. He said,"Don*t you remember that you copied from yours and then you slipped it back and gave it to me?" Her name was Bachman. They had a timber claim way further up -than when we did, Harry Bachman, No, I said, I don't remember,v0h yes, you copied and sent it back to me and then that's the way he went," 1 guess it went alright. I guess I was a little smarter than he was or something,

RM: Maybe you paid more attention to the lesson,

IA: Well yes. Maybe it wasn't so hard. Some are awful hard, That girl was awful hard to learn. So we went,

TS: The only thing I like in school was geography and arithmatic,

IA: We had had to walk quite a ways, too. We never thought about staying home if it was snow or anything like that,It was just to go on to school,

TS: Snow was that deep,

IA: It went alright, I mean,

TS: Took off one behind the other one, leader got tired, he'd drop back. Trail behind.

RM: You were telling me about some trouble in your school? The teacher wasn't too good?

TS: Old IA; He said he was mean, TS; I remember one time, I set in the very back seat of school, And Mima Keir '' sat right in front of me. She'd been to school the day before, she turned around to me and asked what the geography lesson was. Old Steel he was standing up there by the blackboard. He had a little looking glass that he kept holding in front of him. He seen her, He turned around and said,"If you like him so well^ get back and sit with him!"

IA: She just wanted to know about the lesson,

TS: That's all she wanted to know. And she come over there, I slid over and she slid in beside me. The seats wasn't very big, either, It was just made for one person. So she come back there, the geography book is about this square, but when you got hold of 'em it was about this wide,

RM: Big wide book,

TS: So when she come over, I just sat that thing up on end, We got in behind that thing, I don't think we looked at the map, just set there and talked, ^Pretty soon he said,"You better get back to your own seat /'(laughter)

IA: That didn't help out anything. It was different them days,

TS: One time, we used to go out and play baseball. Well^le always wanted to be ump.

RM: Steelsmith?

TS: Yeah. Or he always wanted to be the catcher, But I happened to be on first base, A fella knocked a short foul and it landed right behind the base fwell he picked that thing up barehanded, he had the mitt?the only mitt that was in school, he just, he hauled off and he throwed that thing hard as he could. That darn old baseball,-it stung. It stung like the devil, 5~ -V^r/Oed (xr^Mcl aM throwed it right back st him. By gol, then we played catch, RM; Both throwing as hard as you could? SUNDELL/ASPLUND 36 TS; He throw to me and I throw it back to him, We throw it back and forth and back and forth. Finally I got tired of throwing way over his head and down in the neighbor's field down there. So I sat down by the side of that schoolhouse. That was the end of it. But when he got to schoolhouse/'You're going to stay after school tonight."

IA: He made you stay after school?

TS: That's what he was figuring on.

RM: How old were you?

TS: I was about fifteen I guess. Somewhere in:there, Maybe sixteen, I was sitting back see. They had one of these great big potbellied stoves. Stood about that high.Jrhey had along iron stove poker, Had aloop on one end and a hook on the other end and it was about six feet long, Well that hung on the wall right behind me. He just as soon^urn all the kids out, he started down the aisle. When he got just abofct where the stove was, I just got up and stepped over the seat and got the stove poker. I said,"You and just about even." If he'd a come, I'd ahit him. Ifd ahit him just as hard, I'd probably have killed him. But he was just as blue in hi face as any man I ever saw. Pc

IA: He left you alone.

TS: He left me alone,

IA: There wasn't anything,

TS: I told him then too, I said,"If you ever lay a hand on me, it^11 be the last time you lay ahand on somebody," It would have been, Because if heMV* tackled me along the highway in the road, I carried a good sharp knife on me. I made up my mind I'd gut him if I saw him,

IA: Oh my.

RM: He sounds like he was awfully rough, LA: They said he was mean,

TS: Oh, he was mean. He landed in Orofino before he died,

RM: Did he mistreat other kids too?

TS: Oh yeah, " Carlson out there, they had an outside woodshed,And there was a toilet, ladies toilet on one side and a mens toilet. Well Arthur Anderson, he went to go to the toilet and it was chock full. He couldn't hold it old no longer, so he went in the woodshed, WellASteelsmith happened to go out there and see that An the woodpile, that wet stuff, He didn't know that Bod Arthur Anderson was the one that done it, but he blamed it on . Carlson. He told Bud to stay after school, Bud knew what was coming. So when school let out, he took off, And started to run for home, Well old Steelsmith, he took after him.He cut him a brush about that long, and he started down the road, He run him from the schoolhouse clear down to Paul Rodine*s where he lived, a quarter of a mile away. Before he caught him,

IA: And he run after him?

TS: Yeah, caught him and turned him around, he whipped him all the way up the schoolhouse. Then he laid him across the seat and whipped him there til he pissed all over the top of the goddamn seat, That's the kind of a man he was.

IA: It's funny he went to school afterwards, huh? I wouldn^t have went to school,

TS: I don't think Bud ever went back,

IA: I'd've never went to, Well now he taught up in our school too because I don't remember him, but I know he come and hit my sister on the fingers with something,She didn't like that, I guess she thought that was terrible She never done anything either, to amount to anything, But he come and hit her on the fingers with a ruler,

RM: Did he last teaching around here very long?

IA: Did he stay in the school very long? Did he teach^very long? How could they have a teacher?

TS: I think he was only there one seasone Then we got Carleton French as-a teacher afterwards. Boy that was a nice man, IA; He was nice, I heard that he was

TS: He married sister. He was married to sister,

IA: I didn't know . I guess he was, I heard he was mean. We happened to have awful good teachers. They were well educated. So we learned good, the time that we went to school, I suppose you went to college,

RM: Oh yes, I did that. I'm not too sure that you learn that much more in college than you learn in high school.Did the town of Troy change much when prohibition came in?

IA: Well I guess it changed, I guess they fixed different streets,

TS: Prohibition, That's when the saloons went out,

IA: The saloons went out, oh yeah,

RM: Were there people around Troy who worked pretty hard to get prohibition? Much

TS: Thty didn't But then when they got through, we didn't have no more saloons here, They all went to the brush and made their own, So everybody was peddling moonshining at that time,

RM: Was that pretty good?

TS: They had some awful good moonshine m this country, to do it. You could buy a whole gallon for five dollars, I bet a lot of that stuff

RM: You were telling me how you drew the short straw one time and had to Be the bootlegger,

TS: Well there was Victor Berg and Adolph Swanson and David Swanson? there was one more, they bached in a log cabin over this little ways from where we lived. You couldn't get was supposed to be a good thing of his? all the places in Washington was Union, down in ^«H~ Uke, , So it was the day hibefore Christmas, so they all shipped together except for a of whiskey? I had a suitcase about that long, about that wide and about that high, That I took with me.

RM: How was it that you got to be the one that went?

TS: I don't know,we drawed straws or something about who had to go, I just don't remember how that. But anyway, I was elected. And so I got on the train here and went to Pullman, had to transfer there on that branch route. Up here. I went over there, bought, had a return ticket. And I bought, was all the money I had, I had that suitcase got on the train to come home Christmas Eve, I got in here, I think the train was about nine o'clock. About nine o'clock I think. Eight thirty, nine, I got off down here at the depot and he was the cop here, He was the cop, yeah, He always met the train. So when I got off, I had my suitcase, I started uptown, Well, I got just about behind the hotel He said,'! Ted, you went far enough," He said what? He said,"You went far enough," You went far enough. He said,"You get in here," In the hotel?' No, in the alley, Well I didn't have nothing else to do, He said 'I know what you got in there," He said,"This much about it? I'M going to have a good big drink."(laughter) I opened up the suitcase, I told him,"Go to it." A couple of inches. He said, "Are you going home now?" I said, no I'm going to church, That was doings in the church. New Year's Eve. They had a program up there at the Lutheran church. It was August Delean,he waSj in the VJi/viltr ,So when I came up there, Iwas supposed to put the liquor in August Delean's cutter, 1 looked all over the cursed place and I couldn't find his cutter nor his horses or nothing, I think he must have had it blanketed 'cause it was cold. So I just packed the suitcase inside the vestabule inside the Lutheran church and went in there and stayed til it was all over, picked up the old suitcase and then went out and all the rest of the boys that was in on it, they were in there, so we rolled to the old cabin and then we celebrated out there that night,

IA: Where did you put the suitcase then? You found his rig.

TS: I put it in the vestibule,

IA: Yeah, but when you went home,

TS: A lot of, Dave and all of them, they had, they was in a big sled se they

IA: Well you had a right to come with the moonshine, didn't you?

TS: This is dry country, you weren't allowed to bring whiskey in here, It was against the law. I was breaking the law then, if he wanted to push that, I'd abeen in awful shape, If that had been Hayes he would have taken the whole thing from you,

TS: More than that, I'da landed in the jailhouse. HeM a pushed,

RM: You're lucky Hayes was gone? that

IA: Yeah, it's a good thing he wasn't there.The other one didn^t care,

TS: Ed was his name, Ed Hilton,

RM: Hinton?

IA: Ed Hilton, He was the one. He just wanted a drink, He d:Ldn*t care, There was a lot of 'em went and got whiskey.You wasn't the only one,

TS: He never bothered nobody unless they was rowdy, But you really had to do something that he had to do something about. Lots of time he didn't bother about to take in anybody.

RM: After the saloons closed, where did people go to meet each other?

IA: I don't know what they did really. We were so young then that I don't remember what happened.

TS: They had a lot of parties out in the country, They had alot of parties then in the homes, And alot of doings in the churches too. That they don't have now. Up on Burnt Ridge up there there's avacant house up there, they call the old Chapman place. It was a pretty good sized house, kitchen and two couple of bedrooms and then they had a big front room, it was about the same width as this It was long enough that it even took in out there to the porch, maybe more. We used to go there, get somebody to play the violin or something. Everybody go over there and they the place clean, Go over there and play party games.

RM: This is when you were young?

TS: Yeah, this was the good old days,(laughter) You was younger, They used to have a lot of 'em, How did courtship go in those days? Well I guess they just went to the house and took out the girl. What kinds of things would you do? Well you generally go to a house someplace where they have a party, And it was some celebration at Moscow, you go there, You go whereever there was a celebration and sometimes a church too,

TS: You just meet somebody and you get to talking, First thing you know there's flitting around them, pretty soon you're going steady and all of a sudden, here they're married and that's about the way it went,

RM: Did people usually marry the first person they started going steady w$thf Or more like now, when people go with several people?

IA: I think they went with different ones, There might be some that married the one they went with,

TS: Some of them did.

IA: Some of them did, I guess, but they were just something like now, They go with different fellows, TS; Pretty much the same, Now,

RM: I heard about the Owl Club that was in Troy, A club of young working women, a kind of live in boarding club, Do you know were things like that common? Where young people would live together in a large, women with women? men with men and kind of support each other through bad times?

IA: I don't know. I don't know anything about that,

RM: Do you think people in general were more helpful?

IA: Well yeah, 1 think maybe they were, People were more friendly I; think, M^ause they were together. They didn't have any ways, they all had to go with horses and a buggy.or something. They'd all go to the same place,

TS: See, the early day with horse and buggy, well more people got together, They didn't have transportation to go very far, AAfter the cars got in? one fella would pick one girl mp another .would pick another girl -up, and away they'd go!It kind of split up that younger generation from having get togethers like they used to, Kind of^gradually takes away the parties and stuff like that, That's the way it looks to me like,

RM: Do you think people were happier in the old days? Do you think they were the good old days?

IA: Well, I don't know, guess we were happy because we were young and full of life, you know, And so we always had a good time, I don't really know what they do now,

TS: I think the young folks in the early days, they enjoyed being together than they do today. Because it just seems like? well, you're here one day, you flirt with somebody, go someplace and pretty soon you%e over here, fooling around, looking for somebody else, That just don't seem like the same atmosphere

IA: They can go further and go out to different doings. Then they went out? if there was a dance in a schoolhouse, they all went there in a someplace. And I guess they were more happy, Young people? you know, they always have a lot of fun.

TS: They enjoyed the get togethers, it seemed like they enjoyed it when they was together and having agood time. More than they do now, Just like when we used to go t-o Nora church up there. There was awhole bunch of them there go to church. The Gravlins and all the young folks up there. Well they walked over and they walked home. Well good god; that whole bunch would go together and go home andAsing and have agood time. All the way from the time we left church til we got home. As Isaid, when you're young, it's different when you're younger than when you're older. Sounds like things, even though the work was hard, they were easier on your head,

TS: I think so too.

IA: Oh yeah, it was easier, There wasn't so much going on,

TS: When they had fun, they enjoyed it. TheyM go to church, they sing "Tipperary" or "Come Be My Rainbow", All them old songs,

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0:00 - Ida's parents came from Sweden to Idaho; clearing land and proving up a homestead

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Segment Synopsis: Ida's parents came from Sweden to Idaho to better themselves. Clearing land and proving up a homestead. Shooting and burning stumps. Farming around stumps. Piling manure around burning stumps so they would be consumed.

5:00 - Burnt Ridge; begging flour as a child in Sweden; money for passage to America was stolen by her brother

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Segment Synopsis: Burnt Ridge. Begging flour as a child in Sweden. Money Ida's mother saved to come to America was stolen by her brother.

10:00 - Ted's father came fourth-class to America; came to Idaho in 1900 to avoid tornadoes

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Segment Synopsis: Ted's father came fourth-class to America. Poisoned dog recovers by being pole-axed. Came to Idaho in 1900 to avoid tornadoes and lightning. Ted falls off the wagon and gets hung upside down in brake rope.

19:00 - Homesteaders haul logs to Per Dohansen's sawmill

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Segment Synopsis: Homesteaders hauled logs to Per Dohansen's sawmill. Old man Branting's lies about how good it was in Idaho. Troy farmers thrash in Genesee, haul logs to mill, cut ties and cordwood for extra money. Troy's four saloons. A gallon bucket of beer cost 250.

30:00 - Troy not considered "wild" town; layout of old Troy; logs used on Main Street to control mud in early days

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Segment Synopsis: Troy not considered "wild" town, saloons and fights. Layout of old Troy. Logs driven into Main Street to control mud in early days. [some technical difficulties]

33:00 - Marshall Hayes of Troy was mean; Hayes shot by a man he was trying to arrest

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Segment Synopsis: Marshall Hayes of Troy was mean, not well liked. Hayes dragged by the beard behind a sleigh, roped and dragged up American Ridge. Hayes is shot trying to arrest a man who warned him he would kill him.

39:00 - Fourth of July in Troy; dancing, hotel feast, parade, concessions; Halloween; church picnics; Tug-of-War between Moscow and Troy

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Segment Synopsis: Fourth of July in Troy: bowery for dancing, hotel feast, parade, concessions on steeet. Halloween stunts and pranks. Church picnics. Tug-0-War between Moscow and Troy. Shivaree. Dances in farmhouses, bowery, and schoolhouse.

58:00 - Ida works on cook wagon during harvest; types of jobs on thrashing crew; poor wages, long hours, hard work

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Segment Synopsis: Ida works on cook wagon during harvest: four big meals a day. Types of jobs on thrashing crew. Roustabout's job. Poor wages for long hours, hard work. Sewing sacks.

65:00 - Sewing grain sacks; thrashing season lasted 25-30 days; thrashing machine owners never got rich

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Segment Synopsis: Sewing grain sacks (continued). Ted and a friend each sew and jig 800 sacks in one day. Thrashing season lasted from 25 to 30 days. Strawberries and cream. Thrashing machine owners 'never got rich.'

74:00 - Ida's dad's homestead above Clarkia doesn't pay out because he claimed land in the railroad right-of-way

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Segment Synopsis: Ida's dad's homestead above Clarkia doesn't pay out because he claimed land in the railroad right-of-way.

76:00 - Kids scared of schoolteacher; discipline; Frank Steelsmith was a mean teacher; baseball disagreement with Steelsmith

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Segment Synopsis: Kids scared of schoolteacher. Patience, discipline. Breaking trail through snow to get to school. Frank Steelsmith was a mean teacher. Hiding behind a geography book with Helma Kellberg. After a baseball disagreement with Steelsmith, Ted stands him off with a fireplace poker. Bud Carlson whipped with a sarvis bush switch for something he didn't do.

88:00 - Prohibition; moonshine $5/gallon; bootlegging booze in suitcase from Uniontown; house parties take the place of saloons

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Segment Synopsis: Prohibition. Good moonshine for $5 per gallon. Bootlegging booze in a suitcase from Uniontown. House parties take the place of saloons.

94:00 - Courtship; flirting and going steady; improved transportation split up the younger generation

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Segment Synopsis: Courtship. Flirting and going steady. Improved transportation split up the younger generation. The Good Old Days.

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