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Winney Tout Baker Interview #1, 1975 Transcript

Winney Tout Baker Interview #1, 1975

Description: Moved from Illinois with family as a child. Rural childhood experiences.
Date: 1975-01-01 Location: Texas Ridge; Deary; Illinois Subjects: childhood; women; farming; farmers; farming; Native Americans; threshing; horses; schools; teachers; students; ranches; wagons; railroads; crops; harvesting; one-room schools; pregnancy; families; moving

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Winney Tout Baker

Born 1886

Occupation: Farm wife

Residence: Texas Ridge

Unknown Speaker: Well, that's what I'd like to.

This doesn't have.

Winney Tout Baker: Anything to do with Mr..

No, I don't want to.

Unknown Speaker: I see the field.

You know.

I make mistakes the field there.

Winney Tout Baker: I go. And we were born in Illinois, near and.

That is the date, the 18th and 1880.

Eight.

And we go by train to Moscow and by the uncle Clem. Come up through the long.

Unknown Speaker: Big wagons.

Winney Tout Baker: And we pass. Is there his way? I guess.

Unknown Speaker: Until I get a call that they come, you know, home. Cars, houses and houses build out rough lumber.

Winney Tout Baker: And decide how. That goes for four of us here. And.

Oh, yes.

Unknown Speaker: And there's lots.

Winney Tout Baker: Of, arguing there and beer and word.

Unknown Speaker: And my brother.

Winney Tout Baker: Would go out and he had beer in the log instead. And we can do what we had been to.

And of course.

We couldn't bring fruit. So we in.

Unknown Speaker: The summer we gathered.

Winney Tout Baker: Some very decent and and then and I like I like to say it like I little.

And.

Yes. My brother would go out there and he's skin and inside them well dry and didn't care of it. And the Indians found that out and and come in here for some time. I remember seeing them drive up to our,

Unknown Speaker: I guess we had a and and kids around our yard drive up on the cars. Is is that there? Only they let me tell you how a great, great Dale, my brother, come out here to.

Winney Tout Baker: And then one goodbye.

Unknown Speaker: They want to.

Winney Tout Baker: Hear speeding by.

Unknown Speaker: Fell into.

Winney Tout Baker: I don't know what he got from. I don't know anything about that. But I know.

Unknown Speaker: That man was afraid also for my to.

Winney Tout Baker: Take me back into that room, and I do. I think I do that, I think to run to the dead and.

Unknown Speaker: Who likely that we're alive. I would know highly intelligent gentlemen. The way he had heard.

About Indians.

Winney Tout Baker: The war or war that he didn't like.

And.

And they go away to get.

Unknown Speaker: They leave, but they never, you know, probably.

Winney Tout Baker: Never of anybody ever done any harm there at all.

Unknown Speaker: Israel is that afterwards we have here, here or here, you know where it was? Well, here we.

Winney Tout Baker: Go down route and land, and then, along some ways, I don't know, but it wasn't far from where here. Near.

Very convenient.

When you.

Heard. Oh, yes. And then. And then, you know.

Unknown Speaker: There you go.

Winney Tout Baker: From the whole.

Way home and, right here. Thank you for what I read. And and then we moved down there, and, and my father took the I don't know, his uniform said again, I, I never go back. Anyway, in back of where my sister, your. And then.

Unknown Speaker: Members do.

Winney Tout Baker: A little longer I don't you have not there they they would through road and they see and they.

Unknown Speaker: Were I, I think that.

Winney Tout Baker: We did down here for.

And.

Yeah. They were here.

Unknown Speaker: All of the buyers.

Winney Tout Baker: Tell you know, and go to.

The good.

And then waited till the first time in May.

And and there. Yeah. I think that, it wasn't easy to do land.

Yeah, it is a little runoff. And the little.

Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker: I would heard that.

Winney Tout Baker: It would have had it had the it has this will ever.

Did you ever hear, where is the capital that a well there was Israel or other few places that over and we lived right under there.

Unknown Speaker: There's.

Winney Tout Baker: And then property. That's how I remember I you heard that property and had a reader and, Yeah. And,

Unknown Speaker: That's really all.

Winney Tout Baker: The most important that we that I really.

I really.

Every here or I will pray and I know, I know coming through and I know people that don't care.

And then they build it. That like, rule of thumb.

Unknown Speaker: And since they're here.

Winney Tout Baker: Along the main road, but it's the same old Alexander move.

Unknown Speaker: And it was made out of, your draft lumber.

Winney Tout Baker: I think right now have. Yeah. And I went to there and had to, nurses. I had to.

Unknown Speaker: Walk, that I remember with this is.

Winney Tout Baker: Is, I know I had to go past that my home when I.

Unknown Speaker: Get to the school.

Winney Tout Baker: And I go in the winter, I really where I need to go right here. Make you still.

Unknown Speaker: Have few. And then you don't have to go.

Winney Tout Baker: All the way through my mind when I come that I had to go through all the things that I could go to, like that up there.

Unknown Speaker: And it'll come down behind me. Yeah, we'll go up and and. Yeah. And I run and we will.

Winney Tout Baker: We will get into the Gulf. We'll pray that, that that that Perkins and I will I will use that.

Unknown Speaker: And maybe mom told me. No, that was telling me.

Winney Tout Baker: I think maybe on the end of the year. So I didn't dare to do that.

How long that last? But I remember you. We to take we through.

Unknown Speaker: Our good to go far.

Winney Tout Baker: We want to visit the today.

Oh, yeah.

Here and. The scientific process to.

Unknown Speaker: And I know.

Winney Tout Baker: I learned a long term. I know that this I remember it as rain and.

Unknown Speaker: A place that our yard and who we are. And then we would have a little walk and I we went there. But I like to.

Winney Tout Baker: Go barefoot all through high school. I think they're good at our kids. I have and and that day.

At least they would meet us or that isn't in there.

Unknown Speaker: I went up the ladies.

Winney Tout Baker: In that locker.

I think they knew we got us. Actually.

Unknown Speaker: We come out. The one leg is all I got. I got out there. We heard. So that was one thing.

Winney Tout Baker: And I did.

Then they get older and older. But in the fall, in the in in the.

And now I'm driving right at the end up in that and and we and a friend just training trying to tell.

Whether the she had.

Unknown Speaker: Told me to.

Winney Tout Baker: And I had to drive everywhere all out here. And then if you wanted to go, we drive. And they had cut down big trees. And anyway, wherever.

Unknown Speaker: We found a tree down to them. Then we.

Winney Tout Baker: Feel fulfilled. I, I never felt.

Like it was before that or after I did. So.

We did that. That I got that right. Here for it. Oh, yeah. Like it feels. I know we put it back.

Unknown Speaker: And what he called his birthday.

Ride and the like when? And then it was left in the in 1830.

Winney Tout Baker: And then around in that hole for a good.

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Well, before that, for.

How long. Right. And then I thought it would get cut out.

Unknown Speaker: We did it all.

Winney Tout Baker: On our plate. Oh no, I think I would go the way through that.

Unknown Speaker: And I'd run up.

Winney Tout Baker: To the mountain. Big love. All okay in the summertime. And I gather them that, hate that. And boy, I was in that video and 2 or 3 up it do it. I like to do this haircut. I mean I did that, but that.

Unknown Speaker: I never used.

Winney Tout Baker: Like that. Yeah. So, so I never really I never do.

Unknown Speaker: Anything at that kind of, they regret the moment they'd all of.

Winney Tout Baker: The things that they.

Yes, yes. I mean, they would go and and.

Unknown Speaker: We had calicoes and oh I remember $0.05.

Winney Tout Baker: Out. So I think we are less than that. We used to up.

And we.

Unknown Speaker: I haven't bothered.

Winney Tout Baker: With them now for good. Yeah. And I think and maybe we took the.

Bait.

And it if there was any sickness in the neighborhood. Anybody had a baby in. Maybe they come after us in our main town and they come at midnight. I no need to get out of this. And, you know, and if I could pray and things like that, one. It was a wonderful prayer.

To the baby. You.

Oh, God. Oh, yes. Who knew who the father.

In that moment, you know. So. And we were.

And then we had to go over there was a great, great, great. And I love that the civil in the summertime. Oh, one time I remember we went under there and.

Unknown Speaker: And left it under that roof until we.

Winney Tout Baker: Come home at night or I, you know, I don't remember well either, but I, and I went to school that day there.

Unknown Speaker: And come back at night, I.

Winney Tout Baker: Guess my husband got to put him on in winter, so I didn't look like a comfortable. I don't remember.

Unknown Speaker: That I did that.

Winney Tout Baker: It was a baby school. I was there was a war.

With for that.

Eighth grade.

I, I.

Unknown Speaker: I do I'm, I'm not against eighth grade or maybe I.

Winney Tout Baker: Went to I don't remember that that we didn't go out and do like we do now.

Three three 3 or 4. And I remember we have three months of school and.

And and so while and then. Well then maybe there's the through the school. I don't do that. But I remember that.

Oh no. Yeah.

But I or back I believe and we, we had literary the what we call literary and put it all together.

Unknown Speaker: And in 2003.

Winney Tout Baker: And there and.

And it was very nice. We have program three children with the C, C or and they were in the same area. So with the older ones would get up and call.

And that was more.

And hardly anything else go through. That, that like you.

Told me about 4.3. Oh yes. And yes. This this at this house at 3008. And he had there was a big porch.

Unknown Speaker: Out in front.

Winney Tout Baker: And, and there was a seven year old and right. It had to happen. It was raining hard. The rain run down off the roof, the poor and I had to go and sit out and had an early the fifth grade.

Yes, sir. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker: Like any good I do, and like you just said.

Winney Tout Baker: The knocked out of my head and kept me a little.

Thing. Where do you get your wife and this is. Yeah. Raising younger and as I said.

That was there in the yard there. You.

Did you have to carry the water?

Unknown Speaker: Very water program.

Right here. Give me a water and a walker.

Winney Tout Baker: I were always told that they really like water. Yeah. The cup and and the water.

And all of that. That was it.

Unknown Speaker: I think.

Winney Tout Baker: That happened. They know.

The dog.

And where where where where you. Always had a big guy. Three, three. If they knew that you would go Mary. Mom would.

Unknown Speaker: Said no.

Winney Tout Baker: It's all of that self control. Like, all right I want to.

Oh she would. She was a very, Craig anything goes over to you and place in the yard and and bring it up and you.

Unknown Speaker: Go is other education things there and she.

Winney Tout Baker: Plans were happy to see you in there early and they come up next play when she was planted in the garden and we raised our candy and, and she wanted to get in the glass and get it over high. And then I had.

Unknown Speaker: A dog and kept.

Winney Tout Baker: Coming up the all the, you know, and I'd take him with me and I think he said, and I said, who has this cabbage? And then.

Unknown Speaker: I put.

Winney Tout Baker: It in the sand inside it and it and just and that one kid and.

Unknown Speaker: You inside and one on the other night, and I went over there. Then I picked up the pail and and telling. I said, tell him to enjoy.

Winney Tout Baker: To go pick up the I and. Yeah. In that sense that. I didn't I can do that. And.

Yet.

I asked the different people.

And I can tell where I am. Yeah. So that.

You were also telling me about it for your grocery. Yeah, I really did. And and this is where you go again.

Unknown Speaker: And it's so.

Winney Tout Baker: Hard. I was the Lord the very beginning. And we would go on, take our luggage and via road and then.

Do every week and then they, you.

Unknown Speaker: Know, we buy quite.

Winney Tout Baker: A lot of jewelry at a time to do it a few weeks for every three items of.

Very good. It looked like a big city to me.

I.

Won the hearts that started. Now that we can do with gifts. Or is it three things right and left? Can't get?

There maybe it would not.

Yeah, said. The Indians, this part of New England and and the Indians.

Unknown Speaker: And live right here and that were in there anyway, so.

Winney Tout Baker: Oh, I have red hair long with hair and and when we go in the store, it is a community is over there where they make it around together across the room. They sell for 33 at last. And so if you do, they like the hair. But it scared me.

Unknown Speaker: And I get around behind. No, look, your chair is right. So they couldn't.

Winney Tout Baker: See that would be in the in the store.

Could never look at me. And I know a place called.

Nine days later I know.

Like, like.

A movie and.

And then Lord. They they said I do, I do.

Yeah, but.

I do this prayer and they said.

Well. And that they. I think that your father thank you for the flowers.

Oh, yes. For your. Years. And I like to watch that the helps are.

A little that will come down to the elevator and they called it the friendly and the farmer armory up there. Would you call it a great there and put it down here.

Unknown Speaker: Well thank you. Is that you are the kind of me who think it would come.

Winney Tout Baker: Down and then slowly down that and that trembled and and.

Unknown Speaker: Then, of course, at the bottom there was somebody that.

Winney Tout Baker: You know, that, you know, there's a group and that's where. So I think it was down to the family went right down to the warehouse. I believe that was the day we live here on Friday.

Unknown Speaker: At the.

Winney Tout Baker: I hear my neighbor.

Your husband. That's your first car.

Unknown Speaker: I didn't I didn't tell you about. No. This year.

Winney Tout Baker: Yes. It is an opening every second. And I think that we never had that. And they knew it.

Unknown Speaker: And we always go car.

Winney Tout Baker: Oh, great. And we've killed.

Him home.

Unknown Speaker: I don't.

Winney Tout Baker: Think.

And we had a water cake. It would have to know. And it comes out that if the in place and stuff.

Unknown Speaker: Is you back on the.

Winney Tout Baker: Wheel here, the steering wheel.

Unknown Speaker: And so there's no time to do in the car. We run it through the wire. Did not fly or gate down. We brought it in.

The.

I should say.

Winney Tout Baker: Maybe you could sell it as husband over home.

Well, he was in the way for some reason. The fact is, through that we used to have the very handling section and they called for. I come to you. Continue.

With the finger.

And, I remember that.

Unknown Speaker: The very first ride they go parked.

Winney Tout Baker: Around in a circle around and in the circles, and the horses.

Unknown Speaker: Run that.

Winney Tout Baker: That was the very curb after that.

I with that.

That is. And my mother and anyway. Yeah. Good. Thank you very well.

Unknown Speaker: They will had a.

Winney Tout Baker: Large red and the boy look in and.

You raise your hand and and the trash. Is that you there. It seems to me like a little time that you there for. All right. Thank you. And that you had to cook for all and friend. And then. And then I have a new like.

Unknown Speaker: Quite a bunch of.

Winney Tout Baker: Men. You can have the heart to run the track and, and do all that. And that was then later there was something else.

Unknown Speaker: That really always.

Winney Tout Baker: Wanted to. I don't know that the dog and happy to run for me.

Unknown Speaker: I you know and and go and where they kind of.

Winney Tout Baker: Did that for free. I did find that home in time for we set the group that would be very happy caring for them. And my were out. We had a good.

Unknown Speaker: In the back, but so so and like hard work.

Winney Tout Baker: That that made him that.

Yeah. Well for about.

Oh yes. I have heard on that day I know we he was.

The final comment for that report before we and yeah I don't think.

I, I would like.

Yeah. All five and apparently your.

You.

Oh yes I well I had that I could come over and and and and they think we are there. I had to pay for it and to play and the in the town and the pit is very very active.

Unknown Speaker: There you go and play. There you out there.

Winney Tout Baker: Where I would no trouble and usually that I will.

Play to become a little with me. To retired at.

And they would discover that we sell were considered.

I don't know if we can divide by. And I think we'll go there. And I think that time really does not this great perfect.

Unknown Speaker: Is still very.

Winney Tout Baker: Year. But we didn't get that right. I don't that I it.

The other children world say yeah yeah.

They do when I go to other people.

Medical school.

Or.

I put them back. Okay. This particular all year and we.

Unknown Speaker: Always have a.

Winney Tout Baker: School about. So we have the same things and we're not Indian.

We have a I think the key is in raising the presence of life. Bring your breath and say, hey, you know, the dream. And and then the name of it for.

Three, three. Three, three.

You know, so I wanted to take it for granted, but.

To be able to.

You know, I.

Unknown Speaker: You know that I think you know, know, when I had my three year home, I did a few.

Winney Tout Baker: Days before a week, maybe I could a little picture of the colored paper and what they do.

Unknown Speaker: And the.

Winney Tout Baker: And the purity with the things to work together to decorate. It with really very pretty.

For a year.

Unknown Speaker: Decorations.

Winney Tout Baker: And so I don't know.

How.

Your home okay. And I thought you said here it was very. And your husband because he doesn't.

Mean that. And that.

And we didn't. We didn't have them.

That they could be able to. Yeah.

And we it the three which were, 333 one half. Yeah. The hell they would talk to them or. Hey and when we went through it.

And then they did live as long as I can remember. They could talk and try to.

Unknown Speaker: Understand each other.

Winney Tout Baker: Over there. I.

I think they were they used that.

Long for you or I, I know, but,

They.

Had right or wrong with little.

Other things.

How they were. What what?

They.

Didn't have.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. And I think the words.

That.

They.

He learned from.

You know, healing or something. I had a relationship.

With the whole deal and and and he always told me you wear a book. So I, I somebody who is left with other friends. You, you know, he made a name to make me at home. You see, it was all right. And bring the back together. Don't you know they.

Unknown Speaker: Put that on me? When I got the place.

Winney Tout Baker: I took that and the right. So I didn't know where.

Yeah, she didn't know. So we.

Were not very.

Oh, well, I suppose I didn't really think it's time to get up there, but.

When you're horseback riding, you've had a time that.

Okay.

You. Me do it is.

More school. Do.

24 year. I think one of the four had.

Four and a row. And she had the cold. So I like that. That.

But I.

Thought they were still. I would think.

I can play from year to year and I know all we have the names.

And all that. And I think I.

Said.

But here we go. One.

Unknown Speaker: Thing had to worship.

Winney Tout Baker: Oh no, no, I don't think.

So it.

Would be in the book but oh my. Get there. Well we're working on and I don't I want to know.

And for 3 or 4 months or so.

And everything.

That I would do as a parent. Yeah.

Interview Index

Born in Illinois near Redmond, 1886. Came by train to Moscow, uncle followed after with big wagon and horses.

House was built of lumber, decent sized house. Lots of game there; there were deer and birds and her brother went out and shot deer and birds any time they wanted.

Had lots of fruit. Picked berries with mother and she canned them. Brother would get deer, hang and skin it. Native Americans found out and came on horses and waited for brother; brother would sell the deer skin. Mother was afraid of the Native Americans, didn’t like them. Mother hid her under the bed when they visited. There was never any trouble though.

Home was located not far from present day Deary.

Remembering school. Not very big, two rows with benches.

Friends Leo and Josie.

School book description. With capital letters on the first line and then the small letters underneath. Copied lines. Read from them.

Description of her school teacher. She taught many years.

Built a new schoolhouse on the main road, where she went. Most of the children had to walk. Sister was always with her in the mornings. School at 9 am. Turkeys were there on the way to school, children ran away from them.

Sister taught at school for one term.

It had rained a lot. Some places a yard or two. She liked to always go barefooted in the summer. Everyday she went out and waded into the water. Sister went out one day with her and caught a snake. She got out of the water very quickly.

When she was older she got a pony. It was a very good riding horse. She had a good friend Jessie Shawl, they would ride everywhere. They would jump into trees from horses. Never fell off.

Describing saddle.

Father would work in summer. She ran around a lot during the summer. Didn’t know anything about.

Mother made clothes. Remembered Calico was five cents a yard. Father was a good singer, he sang base. Would get up in winter and go singing for the sick.

Nephew Ralph, sister’s son, would walk and go over the bridge. Sometimes take off shoes and go barefooted and leave their shoes under the bridge until evening. Would walk back at night to get her shoes.

Description of school, it was bigger. She doesn’t remember how far she went through school, maybe to the eighth grade. Went to school for three months at a time. People would gather in the schoolhouses for literature. They had programs where they would sing or have entertainment at the school.

At their house they had a big porch, there was a thunderstorm. Rain ran down the roof and onto the porch. She had a tin cup and went on the porch, was knocked out of her hand by the rain.

Where they got their water. Dug in the yard for a well. Carried water to washboard into tub.

Describing the garden. Always had a big garden. Sister and mother took care of it. Raised cabbage. Would collect cabbage, put two in a bag and let them hang over brother’s shoulders.

Take wagon with groceries. Every two or three weeks. Looked like a big city to her.

Lots of Native Americans. They liked red hair, she had lots of long read hair as a girl. Scared her as a girl that they liked her hair.

Bought flour. Used elevator and tramway.

First car, Model T, second hand for her and her husband.

Husband.

Remembers first thrashing; horses drove it. Afterwards had an engine. Mother and sister cooked for them. Had a large ranch. Thrashers would be there for a week. Produced lots of grain. Lots of men.

Picked strawberries in the summertime. Take daughter and she would play, was no trouble. Usually they walked.

Had a Christmas tree in the schoolhouse. Hang the presents on the tree. Watched children pick there presents off the tree. Had her own tree at home. Put Christmas card paper and children would make chain for decorations.

Had aunt, her father’s sister. She and her husband came to visit.

Family garden.

Second place where they lived.

Title:
Winney Tout Baker Interview #1, 1975
Date Created (ISO Standard):
1975-01-01
Description:
Moved from Illinois with family as a child. Rural childhood experiences.
Subjects:
childhood women farming farmers farming Native Americans threshing horses schools teachers students ranches wagons railroads crops harvesting one-room schools pregnancy families moving
Location:
Texas Ridge; Deary; Illinois
Source:
MG 415, Latah County Oral History Project, 1971-1985, University of Idaho Library Special Collections and Archives, http://www.lib.uidaho.edu/special-collections/
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audio/mp3

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