Latah County Oral History Collection

Sam Schrager: Joel Burkland was raised on his parents homestead and water mill site on Bear Creek, and later ran a garage and service station in dairy and served as town marshal for many years there. Topics discussed on this tape are the water powered mill, its construction and use for grinding flour and sawing lumber. Desire of his father for timber. Country work for boys on the homestead, the abundance of fish in Bear Creek.

Early dairy and its fires. Lumberjacks blowing their stakes but being peaceable. The early car business. Loss of debts in the depression. Work of the town. Marshall and decline of dairy. About his. Do you know what made your parents decide to come to Idaho?

Joel Burkland: Well, I think it was because, oh. I don't know what I can say. But they, their reason for it, I think, was for timber. They were raised in, in Sweden or whatever, you know, and but they didn't like it over and then let us load up because there was no timber. The thing.

So I think that was the reason that they moved over here, given this brother.

Sam Schrager: They were in a part of Minnesota where there wasn't any timber in a timber going to be cut already.

Joel Burkland: Wow. and where do you mean.

Sam Schrager: What where, where they were in Minnesota.

Joel Burkland: Before. Oh, that was no timber. They are, you know, there were no timber there, but from Sweden, where you come from in. They come from, timber country, you know, they wanted to know what they had had, timber. So I think that was one reason that man water one one thing, you know, they had, it was hard to get, water for drinking water and stuff like that where they lived.

And then I think that the reason they moved over here.

Sam Schrager: Do you know how they heard about Idaho? Do you know how they heard about Idaho?

Joel Burkland: How did I know? I don't know, I don't know how they come to come here. That that's something I don't know.

Sam Schrager: So what about their actually coming out? How they how they came out, how they got here and.

Joel Burkland: How well they come by train to Tennessee. That was the closer to railroad point of that. I don't know, right around Moscow or Troy at that time. So that was the point. I don't know, Great Northern, I think. What did I say? That I don't remember what you learned last, but I think a lot of great Northern.

Sam Schrager: So.

Joel Burkland: Or when they come, they would love to land. They could have taken land, you know, around Moscow. I love, Tennessee at that time, but, that, they wanted to get up in the world. So they come up here and they would.

Sam Schrager: They were among the first to come up in this country.

Joel Burkland: Well, I was, but there were there were several of them here at that time, but not too many at that time.

Sam Schrager: They sort of had their pick of Oh yeah.

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. They had picked most any place at that. but they all picked across the creek so they'd have water. And that was the biggest thing.

Sam Schrager: But what kind of stories do you know about those first days when they got the homesteaded, moved and set up?

Joel Burkland: And I don't think about what to if they didn't have it. I think that.

They had to go to Delancey to get supplies. It's not like that. Walk. So, yeah, that would. And then finally they got. So they got that. But I tell you that down in, left way. Up the Indian and creek that so they could drive and then after. Well, I don't know how many years of work then the railroad was built, you know, of a bicycle down, drive Kendrick down there.

But it wasn't much in Moscow or. Or Troy. Troy was a small male down in the main street. It all saw that standing.

that was that wasn't much there.

But I don't know. Did your folks come before? about the same time? yeah. Yeah. they gave up a thing. Yeah.

I can't.

Because it's still. I got the all place down home. Yeah. No, no, that old stuff. But all that. Everything burnt up, down there, you know? oh, like we didn't. You know, you never think of it. Then you save those things until it's too late. Oh, we could have taken that out. You know, after that, folks passed away and had a lot of that old stuff.

But we didn't have burned up. I had two brothers that live down there. When they moved. Did they move to town? Yeah. Well, I then they set fire to put some money down on hunting. That fire got killed the put the hide and had never thing in the house and then set fire to it. It was a big house about 11 roomed.

We had a big house because we did, male crew work and, you know, at the mill down there, we had rooms. So it that, they stayed at the house and all they cooked on the house and they that. So it was a big up, but they burned the whole thing down.

Sam Schrager: Would you describe the sawmill or mead? How how you, used the water power? you set it up.

Joel Burkland: Well, you mean now from the beginning? Well, they first take it on the on the building. A you it mill down at, down on McIntosh place. Now, it was Augusta Anderson's place. Then I would take a couple fellows at the head of mill down there. steam power and, I saw my dad and, Augusta down from, Berglund.

They decided they were going to get into that business. So they surveyed, did you all the way from, all the park to up here all the way down to, to, Anderson's place. And then after they did that, while they figured out that, it would cost them what to make a debt to all the way down, because that must have been about, oh, three miles I how three and a half, probably.

And, so then they, I was down then and my dad and broke my they decided that put the mill up on our place down there. So they made the ditch and had the old at home. And they did a couple of wait at that time, he, helped them put up the mill. He'd worked on, metals like that and bell and slate.

So, so he, he was a into their earlier works. Now that. All they, they went to cut, the water down at pipe down below Lewiston. They had a mill about like, but they had a waterwheel, and they, they put a turbine in here. So. So, I don't know, they it, it developed about 35 horsepower or or and then they had this, I don't know what you call those mills that were big storms, you know, but, oh, five feet across and about this thick with notches and all that, that made flour, gram flour and and also ground feed them.

But and then they had a rolling layer on that all summer long and with water. And then in those days.

Sam Schrager: When they run at the same, time the sawmill.

Joel Burkland: No, no, they, they didn't I believe that we only, on an average about five, 4 or 5, 100,000ft. The year was always so, and and then, then after that, it dried while, run up to the planer, and I'd work in that one, but the people would go, you know, more people, a lot of people here that, take that wheat down and have it made into gram flour, you know.

So that was, the way that operated.

Sam Schrager: And how much of a drop was there?

Joel Burkland: we had about the 30, I think, 37ft from the, that that they called it, that come from the plant, come out that way. And then the turbine would be down in underneath the ground about oh, six, seven feet. It was down there because they had to have drainage from that. Oh so but a lot of had it like to go.

Sam Schrager: how much diversion was necessary to get that, how much did you have to divert the, that creek to get that, that much.

Joel Burkland: enough water? Well, I don't know. It didn't require, you know, there was lots of water in that quick. You know, we, you could hardly see it on the creek and the water that I don't get. Nevertheless, a lot right. And run water all summer long, you know. But we can run in summertime. But after that took the timber out, you know, they logged off all that to back in here where they know.

Well, why then that, and, dried up, you know, so you couldn't run more while 90% of the year. I think that was the last year we thought about or the under 75,000ft up, they could do well. And that was take about or 15, 20 day. That's all you could run. That's all man, except it took less depending on what you do.

You know how much power took. Well, you had a full flume or that you know enough to like a planer didn't take too much power. no. They, now the feed mills. But, for frozen, you have to have quite a lot of power. And, you also have to have water for the palm to the mower.

Sam Schrager: Did you have enough power to do the sawing that you wanted to was the power problem.

Joel Burkland: No one out of water went out more in the early days when hot water. He had no trouble with that body of water. Oh, yeah. Better run. Oh, my. You good? I got to take out, like, if you needed. And now you can't have. But it took the timber up or that disappeared.

Sam Schrager: What do you think made him decide to go that way to do water power. And everybody else was, doing, well, I assume.

Joel Burkland: I don't know. You know, I think they were raised then and, they in Sweden, they had the water power, you know, they use water power. And, I think that's why they got the idea of,

Oh, that's about oh, they had all the power, a lot of power metal down at lower. And, yeah. then they went up and Canada to, put a lot of power up there to see how, what.

Sam Schrager: We with getting the timber that people were cutting off their homesteads to farm. Was that where most of the timber was coming from?

Joel Burkland: Yeah. Well, yeah, we bought timber from the neighbors. You know, we hardly took any of, timber till in the later years, we all went back because you only paid a dollar and a half. A thousand delivered them. So don't worry, because you didn't get much for your lumber either. Probably. Oh, you take good tip. Put out for a $10, $12 and stuff like that.

So we we paid well, I think the highest we ever paid with three and a half about.

Sam Schrager: Did you prefer one kind of wood over another or did you take.

Joel Burkland: Wow. mostly yellow pine or they then, you know, we made, shop lumber. Used to sell a lot. I shot that was. Yeah, inch and a quarter inch and a half inch thick water to it. And then as wide as you could get. Well, we had bought, you know, a lot, a 36 inch wide. A lot of them.

That's all about because we didn't plan that with all the, hollow to dry. And it was shipped out to dry.

They made, I don't know, doors and windows and stuff like that out by that shop. Lumber.

Sam Schrager: Where was most of the wood sold that you mill?

Joel Burkland: I don't I don't know where they sell. And it went through a lumber company that they all, took it down there with all the labor down and load it down to a lumber company. But I think it was a Spokane outfit that bought. But I don't remember what what outfit and what they bought. They cut that, send that grater up.

I, I go when they home and why, that'd be great. If I'm looking up there, I ain't no thing that put a gray down. And so light by gray. Did you know that wider and, clearer.

Sam Schrager: 1201 how about upkeep on, on a mill like that?

Joel Burkland: Well, no upkeep on that. you know, to a mountain. Anything. that, we put that in there. That was in from 1904 till 1917, I think it was. And I don't think we had it up more than once that way. Be got a, you know, a, stick went through and, you know, a limp kind of, hard, so didn't break it where, you know, they kind of thin like that, but spent it all and got it the gate and then.

Man, black. That's all you can start. So. But I think only one back. Expenses are not my thing. upkeep that I didn't. I wasn't very big. That's why, like, a. Oh, about the size of a nail keg, you know, that's big. And about that. Well, I don't know. And then then they gave, raise up and down, you know?

How much. How are you? The. so I don't.

Sam Schrager: Do, you know, if you made the wheel yourselves or if you bought one.

Joel Burkland: It made a turban. Yeah. No, we bought that. but but. Oh, yeah, you could, you could make out. But we, we tried that, you know, for. Oh daddy always mocha with things like that by the water. We a lot of force on wood. You know. But that but like they had like determined took that. But you know you can't control those things.

But a talent you can control because you got race. They get up and down or whatever power you need. I think I think that Archer doesn't have that Tubman up at his place. I think he took it up and I think it's still there.

Sam Schrager: So how big was the sawmill and crew that you had? How big did you say that you had a crew that was up there? Oh.

Joel Burkland: Oh, about ten men take two, for a lumber filers and sawyers. Yeah. Lot. Them ten, 12 men.

Sam Schrager: And then how much used to the flour mill part get? Where did you have people come in that come in most every day?

Joel Burkland: The mail. Oh, yeah. No, only they did, but we used to run that at night. Yeah. Make gram flour. Yeah, yeah. they and they sometimes that, that was in the fall, you know, and you know, I thought about the winter stuff. Why they did all right. And then they had they all, old roll for people as we had a roll in.

We all do for feed and stuff like that. Oh yeah. They come from all around, even up around Belleville at 40. But not not bout that. all the people lived, you know, they had farms up to that country to after we built the mill and they way they plowed for a lot of people up there.

Sam Schrager: What do you remember the country as being like when you were a boy?

Joel Burkland: Being like.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, the countryside.

Joel Burkland: That they would run. But timber with trail through Old Road right up over the hills on section line. But they all they went straight up the hill and back down on the other side. You know, it was all timber like up here. I was up here, you know, and, around 1900 and before. Oh, maybe before that, that, but but to him, it was all timber, you know, there was a little meadow here and there.

Right, right across the street here. The sheep corral at that time. But the road, what we all what went was, take off down here and go up that side of the hill we went to that we did. Now they have that road up this side. So we all went with that on the west side of, oh, you get up on the bank and then you wouldn't have to climb, but to have a trail up to here.

Now, of course, I don't think many of them go up there anymore. What do you do up there on, in the other days before the railroad? Yeah.

Oh, that's about all I can tell you about that.

Sam Schrager: Did you go to school when you were a boy? near where you lived?

Joel Burkland: Yeah, that was a school. Oh, about the, Oh, I'd say pretty near mile south of a place down the creek. We went to school down there, too. And a big school like 66. They over 60 kid. One teacher, a little bit of a schoolhouse where they read that three in the sea, you know, they had no seats, so.

Oh, they were, you know, I think would be about this wide with the three and I think.

I started school for work now friends. She was teacher here then. I don't know what year it was.

Oh, tell me a little bit more.

Sam Schrager: What it was like when when when you were a boy. From the way a boy would feel about it, did you. Did you like school or did you? Did you know?

Joel Burkland: Wow. Well, no. When dad asked who would go to stay home today, I know we all tried. This would be the first one this year. Therefore, Yeah. Yeah. You. You tell everybody that I want one home? No, two out from the place. So who could stay home today? I remember everybody tried to be for half. yeah.

Yeah. Know I went to school down there, and then I took great grade that period. They and Erie. oh. They had a great program up here. that after they built, they started down. So I went to pay grade up here.

Sam Schrager: What would the boys be doing around the place? what kind of.

Joel Burkland: On the on the farm?

Sam Schrager: Yeah.

Joel Burkland: Oh, my gosh, that would bloody. They do cut right clear land. That was one thing that all went down. All because you had to make field in order to. Yeah. So it's summertime where you couldn't do anything else. When school was out, we got, clear land, got rice and little plant trees and stuff like that, you know, to make field.

that was every day. And that before that meal was there, right? they burned the trees, you know, cut them down on them. About to make field. Oh, that's how all these fields are made. So that kept us busy. And then we had always had, oh, ten I thought ten, 12 had a cattle on and on for four horses for four of them for five or 5 or 7.

Most of the time. And, and but you she paid you had all that to take care of, you know. So October 20th or and after we got the mill down there, why it was bought. Because I used to work down there. We run that place and stuff like that. So we had. I never worked out in my life.

Only one time for somebody else. After I come out of World War One, I went, I worked up at Cusick for a year, run the plane up there. But that was the only time I ever worked for PFC. Now I'm buying great gas on logs for one week. That's all I ever worked for, PFI. Well, it was my contract.

You know, one Peter.

Sam Schrager: It's not very much working out a.

Joel Burkland: No no, I never did work for anybody else. And then when I started, when the town started here. Well, then I started a garage. Yeah, yeah. Well first back, but. Yeah, but then turned that into a garage and that was that, that over since. So.

What can you.

Sam Schrager: Remember about the early days of deary when it was just a dairy? Yeah. Just on the edge of be for, for if you bought dairy. Let me ask you about, Anderson. What about the town of Anderson? Do you know anything about the, the town?

Joel Burkland: Well, that was that was down here. And that was, Anderson. That was, But by golly, I think they call this down here Delbert Anderson for when the porch come out and time that clue. It was Anderson and Kluver, I don't know, my kluver, built a store there, and then they had, they had a sawmill down there.

and they had a store and a saloon and two stores. After a while, right down here where you, come across that break down there. That used to be that you that was the pawn shop that after the post office that was out here by Anderson. That was, Henry Anderson's place out here were correct lives. Now, all the clans place that used to be the first post office we had in this country.

The start route from Kendrick, if you met, Kendrick.

Sam Schrager: Would you folks go to, Anderson or closer.

Joel Burkland: To get. Oh, yeah. You had you guys you had to go and get your mail. There was no mail around or anything like that.

Sam Schrager: Was it? Could you get enough groceries and things there to make it a town you shopped at?

Joel Burkland: Well, it was different then. everybody involved in Paul, you know, where you could go to Moscow after Moscow and try one more in the Moscow I went to one. They'd buy enough to last all winter, you know. But I know that deal to buy 40, 50 sacks of flour and buy coffee enough to last winter and sugar enough to last the weather and the meat you had on the farm.

And you're that, potatoes and that stuff like that. You write them upon them. So they bought enough to last all winter, at least for town three, 4 or 5 month. But bucket roads, no snow. You had snow here then? Six, seven feet deep. So you couldn't you couldn't know there was no snow, snow plowing there so you couldn't go.

So they bought enough to for a little.

Sam Schrager: Were there any things about Anderson? any incidents that happened there that, that you can remember to sort of remember the town? No.

Joel Burkland: No, I don't think so. No, I don't know how long they had the row they had that pulled down, but I don't know, a few years. And then it moved up here to Kluver. up here at all. Used to be they live. They had all over get a sawmill down. And we thought we grew. well, what about dairy?

Sam Schrager: We. When did, how did dairy start up? What was it like? Wow.

Joel Burkland: Dairy first started down here. below the cemetery, down on the railroad. That was the first. They had a little bark for the people down there. Oh, just below the cemeteries on the hill down there. Down below that. And then right down here, where you turn off to where the road takes after the land that was a place to where there was a store while they were building they.

And before they got up here, you know, they started down and blues. And by the time they got here, they were still down there. So you could buy, groceries and stuff like that if you wanted to. And then you go and work down here. But they figured on making the town down there, I suppose, a day, but because they had it and then they, they clay plant were down at the bottom right, or they hill here where they had not been made that pottery and had brick.

But that, then that house over there at that one across the street here, they were the first house that built out. Hugh, Henry and Miguel, they were, they were the ones that formed the the city and sold a lot. But or two tracks and what have you.

Sam Schrager: Is there any special reason you can see why there why a town would have grown up here in this, area right in this spot.

Joel Burkland: Wow. You know them. You know, it wasn't like it now. Like going to Troy or. And then you cook them, you take, you take where you had the horses and and the road, where they were. What? Take you all day to go make a trip to try. That took you a good long day, though. Down there.

It's that way early in the morning and make it back by nine. So that's, reason, think that they, that the town formed here and that was, then and a lot of timber and small sawmills that was there was sawmills all over here. They, after the railroad built, you could you could chip lumber out of here is cheap.

So, if you board were at least 6 or 7 developments around here that,

Sam Schrager: You take a town like Hanover. Well, that was a pretty good sized town once, too, I guess. But it just collapsed. It's hardly nothing. Married? No, I hear there's a good big town.

Joel Burkland: Well, that is the latter. That they were farming here. Now, on you take out here all the way. Well anyway, half way down to Kendrick all comes up this way. And, Texas right here. All all up pretty near to the lower point, but otherwise that comes up here too. And then park up here. That's pretty good farming country in there that all comes into here.

And then down about half way to Troy, up this way. So that's how this of course that was that this town was bigger, in in the 20s than it is now. I have no doubt about that. A couple of times all the way up the the house, I think clean up by today part no water.

Sam Schrager: You know. What do you know about those, early fires and they.

Unknown: Had and deary.

Joel Burkland: Oh, well, I had to burn everything. Yeah. Well, yeah. You know how you had to do that from the line, back up line and on and have five six ready to. Yeah, yeah. but when the pump were dry, whether that felt, you know, the first fire we had that we to well down here, it was a bucket brigade.

You know, you'd carry one hand back to another one all the way over. And finally they did get the drop of water that after all that, you know, run out, we didn't have enough. So that's how third now? Yeah.

Sam Schrager: Do you know how the fire started now?

Joel Burkland: I don't know what started it. Now, if one fire started in the hardware store. well, I don't know how I could be ready. I. But it turned everything out. Like, if I. Yeah. Then that second fire that burned everything but the post office. That's a post office now. Used to be the bank, but that was the only brick building, so that bit.

But we kept the water on the roof of that. So that they burned.

Sam Schrager: Or had the brickyard been in here at that time, could people.

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. They come in, I don't know what year. Yeah. They have that, pond over here across the street to what I had. Well, they had quite an outfit in there.

Yeah, but I don't remember the years that.

Sam Schrager: That's fine. And there, their records and things like that, we had.

Joel Burkland: We had two girls drowned in that pond over there. they were out there to rap, and they fell off the holler for help, and I went down. I don't they went by the house here when I went over the silver. The hill. Yeah. took the garden right along, have a gun rake. And they couldn't find them out there.

And I took the garden rake and, wait it out. It was about 12ft deep. I think, and I caught, and then I with the rake, both of them, they were just wrapped up to, grass in the bottom. You know, all that seaweed or whatever you call. And they would come up with them and they we could we had them in the house here for, oh, 3 or 4 hours.

The doctor would have worked it out and tried to bring him to, but they wouldn't, they couldn't they, they would come through the water park. two sisters. But I don't know how have I to think about, but I thought, oh, right. You know, I might have got down hope that that clothes I took one after the other one.

Sam Schrager: Were they very young children?

Joel Burkland: Yeah. 17, 16 and 18 were not.

Sam Schrager: I don't remember.

Joel Burkland: That old Joe. And they probably 60, 40 and 60. yeah. I'd be more like. Yeah. Oh, that's good enough. He was deployed down there.

Sam Schrager: And about what were they? What was the family name?

Joel Burkland: Did you think that that was their name? Yeah. Ask about.

They pointed out that boy there.

Sam Schrager: Are there any other accidents?

Joel Burkland: But could you remember what happened there? You know. Oh, I remember, I don't know, I, I, you know, and not like that time I spent a lot of things that happened, but. Yeah, but I don't know.

Sam Schrager: What about violence? And, what about violence?

Joel Burkland: And, you know, law and order.

Sam Schrager: And in the only town were there,

Joel Burkland: That that all of that, all of that, pretty good here. We had no much trouble here. You know, I was marshal here for 14.5 years. I never had any trouble. You know, no. No real trouble. You know, a little things happen, but not not anything. Do you get anything out of them?

Sam Schrager: I was thinking more back way back then when the town was first starting. Seems like most towns have have, crimes and, you know, a few crimes and. Oh, yeah, I was running away.

Joel Burkland: We don't have anything real bad happen here at all. Oh, yeah. You know, it's it can happen everywhere. So we never had nothing in that. I would call a crime a real crime.

Sam Schrager: Where there's still Indians around. When you were young, Were there still Indians around.

Joel Burkland: When you were young? Wow. Yeah, well, they come to here, you know, they come, you know, down home. They used to camp down there. They want to talk about picking in an article I read, they, they wrote the the canvas. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I used to go over that up to Bovill and up that creek up here or I'll tell you for miles, probably five miles up here, ready to go.

A lot of life, they'd go up there and then they they camp, you know, they had that camping places. They stayed with the water and stuff like that. Oh, they, they went to every summer. They put the whole 40 to 50 of them, probably more. And I don't know, mostly, canvas. That was what they could think of.

Mobile was the biggest place around here. over the middle of that, they had a lot of camels at the same way up there. Crooked. Pick that up overhead.

Sam Schrager: Were people scared of them? No.

Joel Burkland: no, they were all right. The that all somebody with that. But I could tell, you know, so you could talk to them. I never had any trouble with them.

So they were okay.

Sam Schrager: And they just eventually stopped coming up here.

Joel Burkland: Yeah. Wow. Could after they took the Temple Mount, the country. But that's all disappeared. You know, even Huckleberry disappeared. You know, you have to go way up in the woods now, could they go up here on white Rock and freeze out up in there? Yeah, some of them do. Every summer. But, you know, they they didn't have to go up in that country because there were no road or whatever, you might say, a few men.

So they'd come up here and I'm back here on those meadows, back to the, but the meadows, back up a hill here. Oh. National Guard. Well, up in there. Lot of huckleberries and. Oh, that. So they had to go further from that.

Sam Schrager: Whereas we're talking about the way it used to be with the stuff on, the huckleberries and things like that. It makes me think of a fishing game and what that used to be like. You do.

Joel Burkland: Well, see, that was all kinds of that. And, a lot I gave to, deer. No, out. But deer and Kyle bear and all that stuff. But, we had. No, I don't care. But, They they were shipped in here from. And I think there were, I don't know, around 19 somewhere. 21, 22 I think it was where they shipped them and the Wolverines are so.

Yeah, we shipped together 15 hours apiece to two people here, a dairy and a bubble. And, they had to pay $15 for for to get them tipped in the head of a dependable puppy, a bull in the pen there. I don't know what they had. About ten, 15. Never. And, kept them there, but kept loose after they.

And and I don't know how long they kept them up there because then they built up the kind of, from over the Clearwater country and why there was no way it seemed like the make together, like, come in because, I don't think all about in here. they. Yeah, they arrived from those that were shipped in here.

I think they they come from other places. So that's why we had as many as we have here. but, there was all kinds of deer, whitetail. No real there. Like Dale. And bear. Kyle, stuff like that. And they're just plumb full of fish in those days. I used to hunt, got a lot of fish there.

Good.

Sam Schrager: Would you tell me that story again that you told me last time about. About catching your fish and the first money you made?

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I, Doctor Goodman and some other doctor, they. He had that old Cadillac. What? Lumber? You know, like a gasoline. And he had a he was down here by the bridge down hall. And I come up the creek, up and out. I, I went out every evening, you know, on the I had about oh, I don't know why.

And I had a big one on about 70. They did it a long hang it on a stick. So they were, they were out there, they had everything figured out that fishing. And I come down, grab them. I didn't know I took that grip by the new after after what? you know what? You get those on the.

Oh, I caught him. I had an old brush, and I had a sewing machine that a and there are so now hope to know a lot of those are not fireworks. And, so he said, what were you take from I says, I don't know. He says, I'll give you a two and a half. so I threw my fish over with.

Then I ran for all I had the most money I ever had in that. I got 250 for the for the fish. So I suppose he went to market, told them how he caught the fish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I never get that.

Or you would think you could get him to go there.

Oh, it used to be you could go down. You know where I put some and tied together like a boom, you know, put across the creek down there to go to war. One that, you know, I used to go down to the morning catching up fresh for lunch and school for all of us, and we'll go five, four, five.

Yeah, I loved it. Okay? I didn't teach like nobody's business. No trick. But that disappeared course that a lot of fishing people kept, you know, and they, you know, up, up above here or Beaver Dam. But down here what dries out. They they disappear there. You know, I, I went down the other day had a red and the creek was just now dry.

There was this back of water. Yeah. I love to see in my holes where it used to be a lot of things. I looked to see if I see any dead fish, but I did. I think they all go before it gets dry because the water, it's water up above and there's water down below. The water goes underneath and that comes up down below.

So they would just and I never seen that. It never been dry before. I never seen it dry.

Sam Schrager: Which creek is it you talking about bear graphic.

Joel Burkland: Yeah. Yeah I never seen it right before that broke dry.

Sam Schrager: What kind of travel was it that you used to catch?

Joel Burkland: You made every. We call that natives. And then it was some rainbow on some cutthroat, like, come out from, Potlatch out of Potlatch and that. Okay, that came from big fish there. I got 120 that I, I on a salmon, I get 33. It took long time. That's a big one. And another like I got one 2070 to the same time we same day.

Sam Schrager: Be able to used to be in the falls and they.

Joel Burkland: Had enough water over the falls. Yeah. So they don't they had to come over that to come up in here. You know. But they can't had anymore. They went down there, you know, or they went together. A whole bunch of establishment had brand little sanders. And then my dad dances and all out of about a drill and shoot the farm, you know, down there.

But it turned out to be too big a town. Oh, it's just solid rock, you know? So they cleared it, would not blow it out. So the fish would come up.

In the all the water got the fish. It got, you know, and left like he got up over the farm. Now none of them go over it. I don't, I hardly.

Sam Schrager: About how big it did. The falls used to be down there. I haven't seen them falls.

Joel Burkland: Oh I don't know. It's that fall about. Oh I don't know. They had runs in between rocks and then down this way it probably 53 something like that.

Not at all like a big boulders I guess. granite or whatever. They thought it was too much of a dam.

Sam Schrager: Did the labor troubles that were going on in the, lumber camps around World War One, the IWW. Did that make itself felt around here?

Joel Burkland: Well, not not to what they come through here. A lot of them, like, put the shirts and, that's before I would, leave here. But I was in town and they came to and they had to take them out of town and tried to arrest them with everything else. You know. But but right around here, we didn't have any trouble.

They had trouble camps and stuff like that. But right here in town, we didn't have any trouble.

Sam Schrager: Do you know how the people felt about that? And was there any particular feeling in.

Joel Burkland: Well, I don't know, some people that work for the company that, like him or, but I think they've done one of the best thing that ever happened to, number, camps and stuff like that, you know, that. But filthy old, you know, where they had those old bunk houses with straw beds and all that you had to carry.

They had a little straw in them. You carry your blankets and everything else. So they changed all that. And I think they done a lot of good.

Sam Schrager: What about the complaints about sabotage? on the farms? Do you know anything.

Joel Burkland: About the IWW? Yeah. Well, they for that probably was a few that probably set up fires, double fire or, something like that. But I don't think. I don't think they had around here cause it wasn't, you know, you take, like, around a big city or some place a lot, a lot of them. Why? Yeah, they might be evil, but they they didn't do any damage here.

That I know I ever heard that.

Sam Schrager: So there wasn't the town in the area. It wasn't all that tense about it. It wasn't no strong feeling? No.

Joel Burkland: Oh.

I worked up there. You know, I they were there were a lot of, deputies that after, you know, after they had that trouble where I stayed, but they were all right.

The company didn't like a lot of poor areas, you know, and then IWW and all these other guys, they had a bad job for em, you know, loyal Legion, the loggers at Mount. And that day, I don't you down there were approaching between that. But, that market they wanted and that way and everything. Oh they're concerned if they have a native plant.

They blamed it. I'll do that. I'd.

Sam Schrager: You were telling me that that you, when you became, the town policeman, that you had some run ins with loggers, too. But they weren't bad.

Joel Burkland: Oh, you mean they're longer?

Sam Schrager: Yeah.

Joel Burkland: Yeah. No, they were they they had a better than the rest of them. They respect they respected law. They lumberjack respected law better than, your local people. They have respect for law. They always. They you go downtown now, you get out of town and go to work. Like, during World War two, you know, they had to be at work and.

No, why would they let them come in town and yell at them, come here to stay three day, and then one day, three days, and I'm go tell me. You better get back to camp. Whether you, you know. Yeah. They were they were, and I never had any trouble with any of them. And we had probably five, 600 of them around here at that time.

We had a camp down below here, one back over here. Let me tell you, the 100 men in each camp who we had a lot of them, but they spent their money, you know, the whole idea was really the way they what? They go to camp with their work till they have about 6 or $700, whether they go into that town and that about three, four day, hey, that's the way that work.

Throw it right, left and they get rid of it and also want to go out.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, that's where the heck they spend it all on in that time.

Joel Burkland: Well give it away. Throw it away. Oh yeah. See they throw you know go ahead. The beer parlor holler. Tell workers that they want that operate the vampires, start the cap. They direct. They pull the captive set cleared around out of that bottle that been open. And then they pay for it.

Oh, that's the way that. Oh, they used to take them, you know, take a bottle of beer underneath the counter. You know.

Unknown: And, they.

Joel Burkland: Clean them out.

Sam Schrager: We put them in bottles underneath the counter there for.

Joel Burkland: You know, that would tend to take. Yeah. Count. You know, they never counted in that any. They didn't care what a call that was. That was the quicker they run out of money I think the better off they were. They figured, oh.

Sam Schrager: It's funny, though, that you say that, that they were more respect for the law because, you know, that image of the lumberjack. Wow.

Joel Burkland: Yeah. They the big fighter and all that. Oh, yeah. Well, you take both of them, they argue and, fight them with the. You know, if I had that trouble, little dog, they might have a fight between themselves, but, but not but they had, you know, when an officer, anybody remember, said that the law or that was over with that they didn't want no trouble with the law, never.

But now, you know, you got a they take a full house, they go in pairs all over. Now.

Now, why put them in dark? 3 or 4 of them. And then worked up a call for that morning. And now the camp, they go in. No trouble. No trouble.

Would you. Would you tell me,

Sam Schrager: That you're telling me one story about one guy that was it gave you a little bit of a hard time, and then he came along. Remember that.

Joel Burkland: One year? Oh, yeah. He went there. Well, I thought I had him a day or took them out in Nevada. A cup of coffee. I told him, now I want you to get out of town, okay? Okay, okay. Down the road, if I get down there, they, Well, the street turned off. the second street down there, they stop.

There's no Sonoma. That is that that. Don't you tell me where I'm going. So I walk down ninth and you want to, Are you going to leave? Nope. All right, come on. No. You know, do you want me to chloroform you before I take you up to the dam? No, I pulled, Billy out. He walked right up there.

And then I had, you know, you had to take everything out of that pack to make it a specialty. Because I set fire, you know, and they set fire, and then, you know, burned himself up. You had their. When do you when you took somebody to jail. You sat down there yourself all night because, you know, I would still.

Do you have the cells? We have two cells and then a hall where the wood stove. And I get that in winter time, you didn't do to leave that we can't. That might catch fire. So you search everybody that went in there and made a list of what they had and put that away when they were ready to get leave, while then you give it back to a lot of they didn't like that idea.

They were going to let you do that. They didn't show.

Sam Schrager: So you're bringing this guy down to the day?

Joel Burkland: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He refused to let me. So to let him clean his pocket, take the pockets out of outside it, you know. Oh you would go outside. I don't know that. I'd have to put it to sleep for a little while. It's such a pocket. No no no no no no. You have to I don't have I never had to to use anything.

Oh, they were, they were all. They come at night, you know. Yeah. And, the goal in any place was to see a light. No. And the drunk, the been out of drunk on come. That happened all the time. That walked in.

Sam Schrager: So, I mean, they'd go into somebodies house.

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. That happens several times. Their teacher living upstairs, somebody. Oh, they've pulled it off with a bang. They had that, apartments up there for teachers. One night I got a call about, oh, 2:00 or something like that. Somebody was in, their apartment. They were scared to death. You know, I woke, I went down there, went out there to put poker.

What? In the stove. And warming up. They walk from Kendrick up here. They were going to camp out here. They thought. I thought, you know, what are you doing here? Well, we saw light here. We have to come in and warm up. So up the stairway. There you go though. Hey. So I took a over. I told him I got a warm plate for you, so I took a bowl, put a potato.

The next morning, them go by the coffee. They all broke, you know, after they've been out. So. we all was bottom coffee and then send them up.

Sam Schrager: With being sheriff, a full time job for you. Is you doing that at the same time you had you.

Joel Burkland: Oh, I had all these jobs, you know? You know, everything. You know, after we started, we started here. We got the water system. I had I had five public put into a pump to build up the, rotary like you use now did. So you'd have to take pump bladders and all about all that happened every week. I run five of them.

Five pump out of five. Well before we got water out here. Pine Creek. Oh, that was that was an awful thing. And then you had. Well, I was a city clerk, policeman. take care of the water system all up was one. How many? Where we went. What? That job, which it. No of or, you know, they changed and I got I done that all and still run the garage.

Yep. dump that over $50 a month. Now they getting seven, $800 a month for the same do less. I think. Oh, yeah, they do less than I have to do.

Yeah.

Oh, I, I'm running a course. I had a hired help. I always had to leave work on board because, well, yeah, I had always had help. So.

I have to go home. I would take care. Yeah, I.

Sam Schrager: Did. You tell me how you get started in the garage business?

Joel Burkland: Well, that's very simple, but we had the Blackfoot shop up here. That that water bill, my dad and, that water mill company, I like to, I'll get down to the my dad, get up here and go, down. Peterson. We took that over. Took the black Blackfoot shop over. And we move that back behind and made a graveyard of the, main Blackfoot shop.

It's more down now, but that's what quarries charge. Yeah. Fees? No. And, then I bought the creamery. They had, farmers had a creamery. How about that? And so they, you know, oh, the, machinery, sold to the Lewiston Creamery, but that and then I made a service station out of that. So. But restored what I start out.

What we hauled gas that Val from Rosalia. Yeah. In the back end of a Ford. That was enough to last a week. What about that? so that started out pretty easy. That was 19, 19, 20.

I remember that so well. April 1920.

Sam Schrager: Did you have the idea that cars were a common thing then?

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We, you know, and I went to medical and in 1920. Yeah, we, I knew that. Oh, oh, we we started that, you know, not of course it was mostly, you know, or some oh, oh one thing that was in paper was the batteries, you know, I bought a, you know, dynamo and a gas engine and I picked, fixed up a charging outfit.

And then we rebuilt, put plates and rebuilt batteries. We had, oh for winter thaws, 70, 80 batteries, you know, so we had, a lot of work with that. They'd bring them from all around, you know, say you always took the battery out of car in the wintertime, and I put that car up on blocks in the garage.

You. Did you think how in little time you could because there was no snowplows that in power roads?

Sam Schrager: And you were with the highway district secretary treasurer starting in 1928, Yeah. The same time.

Joel Burkland: Yeah. I was, secretary treasurer for them. Well, I put in 37 years on that all the way for the highway district. I worked for them all. I don't know, 6 or 7 years I've worked on the, what do they, on the road? Yeah. I sold out, my interest in my garage and stuff like that to Lee and and down there, they.

Then I went to work for the highway district, so I worked for them, but I was still was secretary treasurer at the same time. I've been out w ever since they started. I only up until 1942, I think 5 or 6 years that they had. Swanson was here, otherwise I was secretary treasurer all the way through. I have I think, when I figured up my, my, public, pension from the state pension, you know, retirement I had 37 years with the highway district.

Sam Schrager: You must have had a lot more than that if you put together these other jobs.

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. Well, that added up to, I don't know, I had, I had, I don't know, I had, over 100 years of public service when they added that for the city, for the highway district, for the cemetery district, and about half of that of those school bus for six years. And that all added up. So I had over well, I don't know how many I quit, I don't remember exactly, but I had to work or had been over 111.

thank you. The public service. So I had in a lot of time.

Sam Schrager: What was it like around here during the depression in 1929 and just afterwards?

Joel Burkland: Well, I guess it was like most places that were not no money. Nobody had anything.

But we had enough to eat. I don't think anybody got it without any training like that. But no money.

I took a deposit down. I had $275, took it down that night before the locked up next morning were gone. I, I don't, I think I had 40, $50 was all I had left. The rest was all tied up. And, what do you had come with? You couldn't get either. You know, nobody had any money to pay with.

So I just. I had bought up all my birthday clips. I got rid of everything, you know, you tried to collect them, you couldn't. I probably could have kept kept them. You know, but people moved, so. That's the way all the stores did do. They couldn't collect. They did like, hello and welcome to your company. They had 18, $20,000 out on credit and didn't get enough out.

For you to give it up. But, start over again.

Sam Schrager: What about the people that were just flat broke and dear? It just didn't have anything left. I mean, not a dollar to their name and and, and how how they.

Joel Burkland: Well, for one thing, if it if they found out that had anything new, that somebody was out of place, you know, they wanted to help them out. They don't anymore. It's got to be done by the county commissioners, or somebody else. Now, they know they tried. If anybody was with, in tough shape, we all would tip them and help them out.

And cause, when the bank closes, you got your money in the bank where they're all alive. So they. But they're they do it to get started again. I don't know, I didn't think to. Everything went all right.

We kept down with the garages. The savers ever. Get started again. Because it wasn't. It wasn't as big as they it's now you know that they did small.

Sam Schrager: Did you start doing a lot of training? for services and for food instead of money in the garage or we you know.

Joel Burkland: No, not very much. things like that. like you get the, hey, let's. And fruit and stuff like that, it trade, but but otherwise you.

All have a lot of work going on. You know, they, you know, most of the people that lived here had been, you know, worked in camps and on how much were in your all. Yeah. So, you know, it wasn't too long till they had another one. They, so it spread out around. So everybody I don't, nobody went out or really lost anything you know like at home or anything like that.

Nobody that I know was all over the country the same thing you got along with less.

With all. Quit running that car. Are you. Put that away. Now that's it.

Because you could afford. To repair. by. What we had, you know, it was a service station, so we had enough. they had run stage two twice a day, you know, from last go to Bovill. And there was always something going on. You know, a lot of the guys that worked in camp, they'd drive, you know.

So we had we wasn't too bad.

I never went put out a meal anyhow. Yeah. Okay. Now we.

Unknown: I would, you know, I.

Sam Schrager: You say that most of the people in town worked. Worked in the camps.

Joel Burkland: Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's been still do motor of work camp along with all. Right about that. Made up from down in the campsite. And that that whole good day to for work and look camp.

Sam Schrager: What kind of changes have you seen in in deary through all the years that you've been here? As you, look back and where it was when it was first, it a booming town and wow, change.

Joel Burkland: Well, I think the town was, I hate to say it. I think it was a better town. You're in 90, around 90 in the 20s than it is now. And would over here and better town.

Now it's only it's only two stores.

And. No, no hotel number two. Hotel at that time. And it was 3 or 4 stores, two beer bottles and and everything like that. We haven't got that anymore. And so, you might want to go to the other one as far as the stores, that's only two men you have to go to. What's going to get the right.

So it was it was a it was, none of this was down in those days. there's now there were two garages. We had a Legion hall. And that was, well, a church was. There were three churches. No, two churches in town. No, they that would have they a black, two black got. And that's all in the planning bill for Bill and the planning bill.

There were a lot of, a lot of other things that is now. Oh, they, you know, the small town going like Helmer and oh that be a way to spot the road someday. Good roads and all that. no. You go to Moscow now you have to go from here to Moscow in about half hour or take it all day before even one, because it took you 4 or 5 hours to go to Moscow, because you had always got no dirt road.

Then if you saw cloud covered, you better head for home. Yeah. Hope it sit in the butthole. All right, so that changed.

Now. They wrote a lot more in those days. And now we had a thing. We had a deep pool. Drugstore, drugstore. doctor, you know, everything that goes with it. Now, we had, man, you know, which we don't have anymore.

Sam Schrager: We just say that there's a lot more turnover in the population now than.

Joel Burkland: There used to be. Oh, yeah. I bookkeeper down here at service station and, I don't know, one one third of it's all new. It's all new, all new names. And I know Norm, I know the name. When I said that's all, but I don't know who they are.

Also, yeah, I used to know every, every name of every one in the country, here and in town. Now. Don't know any of them. New names come in every day. Do.

So it's a big change. Wow. mostly, all the people that not, not many of the old people that already know people here in in in town.

Unknown: Why are you here? All the.

Sam Schrager: This blacksmith shop turning over into a garage. And did you at that time figure that there was was there less work for for the blacksmiths than there used to have been about 1920? Was it not a problem?

Joel Burkland: Well, I would have. I love, you know, the biggest, biggest thing for a blacksmith shop was, Flint wagons. You know, they, wagon wheel, you know, they dry out, and then you have to have them. They, tire from column, so the the rim don't fall off when you go down the hill and out, and bundled rack comes to build hundreds of them, you know, for hauling bundle and harvest time.

And horse shooting was one of a, because all that time was done by horses. Why, that was one of the biggest things for Black and South. So they and like here now we had these one arches like that. Yeah. They were both at a time. Two when there. Yeah. Pretty. And the other one about four black. But gone at the same time.

You see now that that trade is completely out. Well what. No acetylene welding are arc welding that were all done in the back. Yeah. So all of that. But that's all gone. Oh, that's a lot great.

Sam Schrager: Did you shift over slowly to go to, garage from, blacksmith shop?

Joel Burkland: No. well, we done some blacksmith work, but not too much. we, you know what was in the model-t? Both of the cars for Model-T Fords. Not a version of brake linings that would every week or two. You know, you had to have a new set of brake, band put in the Ford and that, but kept that going, and then, connecting rod, the helicopter and the, I Ford you dyno had, that they all pan like in the bucket when you went up the hill that I went back here and the front rod would burn out and it went down hill and it was all here while

they, number four would burn out. So. So we had we had a lot of work with farm that was only two places here. that was a buyer's garage and, and, Peterson and I doubt it.

Sam Schrager: Could you use much of your blacksmithing equipment on the cars, or did you have to go to a whole new set up?

Joel Burkland: Wow. I didn't have the tools. I have how they were. They had been used some other, like the tools that that man could, had red rented and stuff like that. But, a motor, two saves and the Ford had to be, Ford Tools again. Right. To figure that out. The connecting rods were made. Ford. So you have.

Yeah, mostly that stuff. But we were not all kinds of cars that like the value we used to sell car. so 40, 45 cars, one year, only one trading. And all cash. Only one contract. Put the car show in the high release night and sold two of them. They were $1,200. Was, And that was about the highest priced guy in the world.

Ford, 375, $400 Chevrolet was about, or, depending on what you bought or road three grand or a, yeah. a, coupe, I mean, and sedan and mayhem, you know. And then we sold we sold overland there for one year. I don't know, we sold about or 25 or 30 of them, and they sold for around the last one sold for around $700.

Sam Schrager: How fast did the cars come in here? When people started buying. And did the horses go out all at once? And cars?

Joel Burkland: No, the horses stayed on the farm. Yeah, yeah, they bought the car to come to you for, you know, drive around. but, yeah, of course, when the tractor started to come, first the real tractors and then the cats. Now that cats are going, now they are all wheel again. So, so most of it was done by, you know, walking, gang, walking plow or whatever farms around here, mostly done by walking plow.

Sam Schrager: Did you work threshing? Very much, Did you work thrashing? Very much. Did you have a thrashing? Crew work or do you work thrashing very much. Racket thrashing. Thrashing the the the wheat.

Joel Burkland: I don't know what you mean.

Sam Schrager: Thrashing the wheat on the. On the farm with the thrashing machine. Thrashing.

Joel Burkland: Oh yeah. Oh certainly. See. Yeah. Well, yeah, we have that. We had one down at home. we had 2 or 3 of them, you know, they last a long. And that was horsepower, right. We started out with, a little bit of a machine. You never know before on the thing. No, no, sucker or whatever you call or you.

Oh, that that was all done by half bushel things. Pan. Two of them. Then you had to come down with when you hit a and turn them over. And then it was a rake here that counted when you turn it over. Well, I counted bushel. Bushel. That's the way it took. Two guys fill us at night. We had both of them hauled at home and, you know, or half flagged at the time and dumped that they didn't they?

Well, they didn't have enough to, most of the people had that. So everything was like we had, we had, all that trash and machine, just like, planting mail, you know, small, elevator on there for the straw. And you had one man out there to throw a pile of stack on the straw hat, to use a straw for a feed and stuff like that.

And bundle cutters, no cell feeders, thread bundle cutters. And then a guy that put it in the summer feeder, they called it. Oh, well, that took quite an outfit. We had. We had 12 horses with, three. You know, change horses every, oh, every quarter or so, you know, but they started at 4:00 in the morning and kept out at ten at night for a long day.

Okay. Yeah.

Oh, then we quit that, and we bought a Minneapolis compound engine and then a belt. And, then there were, my dad. No, you can't have an engine around the stack, you know, set fire. So they bought that belt? Well, I don't know. Have, it was oh, wood long, I don't know, 60, 70ft, anyhow, old and about that wide and do that old heavy weight.

Have 100 pounds, you know, and you would tighten the belt down that subcommittee come right up and they say, oh, so we dug a trench in the ground for the belt to go in. Yep. They they separated. And they cast it. Was afraid of fire in the home. Burned up. But everything was back in those days. They didn't have, any like they did later on.

You know, they take it out on the field and bundle trucks, bundle wagons and catch it. But they everybody stacked. Waterproof that they could sit all winter on them. They did this good. Next spring is. There was a man in the stack. Yeah.

And.

That same way he baler, you had to put feed hay. Bale. Oh, I tell you, a lot of work with that stuff. And. No, they. Now automatic that go down the field. It they hear them.

Sam Schrager: I want to ask you a little more about what it was like being a marshal. what kinds of things would come up that you'd have to, attend to and know? as the marshal?

Joel Burkland: I haven't stuff like that with most out there get. get a little too much beer, and then. Like, go down the saddle. I ain't hardly ever I hardly ever had any trouble with anybody. that took it down and make them get out of town, go to camp.

They have a fight, you know that? Go to drinking anyhow.

Sam Schrager: So what about locally? Did you have family quarrels? And that's.

Joel Burkland: Oh, yeah. I had lost a lot. I don't, I. Oh, yeah. That. Several times.

I didn't, I, they might get a hold of it. I don't want to say anything that I'll keep to myself.

Sam Schrager: Oh, I wasn't thinking of any names or anything like that. I, I was just thinking of some just.

Joel Burkland: I, I tell you, ya, I was a good talker and all. I had to go where they had trouble. And spend two, three hours I went to one place. And I went in the house called of the husband. Get out of here. You get away from here. And I got to talk to, And I went to the house, and I sat there and I looked at this, and they're all the family pictures, you know, everything else just went along with everything and sat and talked and about 2 or 3 hour, she was all right.

Everything was over, and she was just plumb crazy. And I went out of family affairs do that a lot. I used to to take them all by myself, talk to. I have I have several of them here that. But I don't like to.

Sam Schrager: To get really settled. Really settled things down.

Joel Burkland: Really? Oh, yeah. No, not break down or go crazy. You know, this woman was out with a butcher knife and teeth, got killed. Another woman, and she was sitting in the car and I went to the car. I said, what's wrong? Oh, you kill another one. Was he a great big foot in that? I'd like to talk to you.

Let me. Can I get in the car? So I went in the car and sat down, talked to her. I took her home. No, I drove my car. I had a Chevy, 33 Chevy and drove up, and I told her she was in the road, standing outside the house. That's the lake with. And so I drove up down, and, I said, come on, I, I'd like to talk to you.

Well, if you wouldn't go to talk about any. Oh, come on, get in the car. I'll take you home. I don't want to go home. So I took her home and I told the old man, get down. Get away from here. Well, I came to. Yeah, I, I and then I started talking about things. Then she got all the pictures out.

I looked at them as they go, you know, after a while I talk to her. Why? She was normal again. And I don't think they had much more trouble like that. Oh, and several times when they were breaking up, they threw up through, you know, and I got up to try to talking and also tell him finally, you know, a small thing and they don't amount to anything in the first place.

And it's thought third step until it blows. And if you can get that talked out of them, why. Oh, I had a woman come to be with a year or two afterwards and says the old, she said, I never forgot what you done for us. I took up the room, up there. May I, in Cafe Bagatelle.

Nobody around now that the husband or wife or doctor for an hour or two and went back, set it up all wrong and never had any trouble since either.

No. You could do a lot of things, by that, better than, to, you know what probably would have happened to that, to that, the woman up here, they would have taken her Dauphine or someplace, and she never would have got out. But by doing this, why they got out of the system and everything went all right.

I don't know. Oh, that a lot of things, like, that.

So.

Well, I suppose that's about it, David.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. It is. It's a thing about old.

Joel Burkland: You have to sit it out, throw out five.