Latah County Oral History Collection

We took the air from the cabin over. And I never did ride for the ride with Rich.

He was amazing. he was amazing. Ernie. Ernie was amazing. Steve can land the outline around here he happened to. One time, he was down here on a work trip, and he had a bit of work to do and run it through when he was here and kind of going at work, and I used a camera, and then he got on the main line, and then he got he finished up on the school campus, I'm sorry, finished up his room.

Did you have some questions for him? Oh.

Rob Moore: Oh yeah, I got I got the question. We didn't. We ran out of time one last time. I'm kind of forgotten, where it was. Oh.

Oh, yeah. Obviously about the train. This is. The people use the train a lot.

Norla Callison: A lot more. Oh, yeah? Well, you have, I think first built this train here. They had three trains down, three trains up a day, and they cut it down to four, three, two down and two up. And then on top the last I had one down and one back. It just come down, turn around and go back and you got to it wouldn't pay watering at all.

Rob Moore: Well if the train runs out there occasionally it's.

Norla Callison: Likely not that the train. No, you didn't break just right. It's all break. Oh yeah. There was six passenger trains here. And besides, afraid.

Rob Moore: Of if you wanted to go somewhere, would you go in them? They'll be Kendrick and catch rather.

Norla Callison: All right. You go down there and back. We can get it. No, I never did that. But I get to come here. You stop at Boulevard. That's a that's a double track. It starting off you go to go right next up here, which was Bovver. Well, I try it down, you know more. I'm coming. Mean here. Yeah. I can't go on the double track.

Great passer. You got a telephone in a little house down there and on that boulevard. If you want to get on a train, go to Canada instead of going to Canada. Just just cut down all the hill. Well, foot and leave. Be there and train there and it'll pick you up and and let you. Yeah. They wouldn't do it now I'm sure.

No. 2 in 2 independent now. No. Everybody went on the train. We didn't have busses and Greyhound wasn't part of the busses and trucks, the railroad out business, you know, kind of a shame to good roads. Now the airplanes and the tax payers were there and the road was a cropper. Yeah. And the busses. That's one thing.

The railroad company, when they come in here, they both are there right away. The government give them a lot of land for them right away. They built their own depots and tracks and stuff, and they charge you to ride on it. An airplane. You got to build an airport before they land, pick you up. Mr. drew? yeah, sure.

that's always stuck in my crawl. I was why we had to build an airport for an air for an aircraft outfit to tell em to pick you up there. Everybody in that fort?

Unknown: No, no, for.

Norla Callison: What? They told me from a B a short time to look around him. They don't got the clothes on my face again. the government. The government has helped the cockeyed airline. I. I just don't know how many million that came in one of their prime on the pump all the time for a Louis them to keep taking flights off for a little while.

I got on the flight all. And then we got to be real Moscow. There's nothing stopping there except just just a little Lafayette Cascade outfit and lost a lot of project. Yeah. And Louis and getting trimmed down, the reunion that morning, flight that comes in there. And then when we come back from Seattle on from Alaska last fall, it's taken all.

And then just going to grab the keeper, taking it off. They don't like to start a little place. Like what do you think they get the regional airport over here. And I don't think I don't want to put them on a Moscow park for Louis to want. They want a rule, everything. You want everything. And most of it they just motivation.

Because if they don't, they ain't gonna have nothing. The air aircraft out, it's just going to pull out sitting there. And what a what if they have a good airport in Austin don't they. Yeah. So they don't just fly on their own King on in the big nine land. They're Moscow. Got an airport out here that's 1000ft over there.

Runway is 1000ft long and one of the most. And then they can't get it nine at the land. And I'm not paying too close to it. They don't hardly get off the ground, Lewiston, till they're stopping at north. Go up. We went to Seattle last form and buying all that they they take taking around over the east side.

The orchards can come around over that way. Great. Down see Louis and around the browns and pine all them down there. And by the time you know, before you get the top, the hill going up quite a ways that you get to hopping up down here on the right hand and there's just Moscow and boom. But they don't already get on the ground.

So they'd be land. And again all they don't like to do that. Usually it would go together.

Rob Moore: Just as easy.

Norla Callison: As I can to watch that now. But, I do. Do you think that that that cockeyed, central airport up there, that's going to be the thing after that for the times? They're not going to be able to eat it. It's in the wintertime when you get blizzards and fog and stuff. My God, I don't see how they're going to be able.

I just don't see it since they've both kind of got an airport across. Like you said, the big plane land. Logical. No no no no no I quit it years old. One.

That and bullhead didn't. They won't ever think dumb and they're going to wind up not having a day because, and then bigger airplane companies, they just won't stop at a place like it day and time. They claim the boarding thing enough. Well, there's too many people that used to get on at Lewiston, but Moscow and Pullman, and it just takes them a few minutes longer around Spokane.

Yeah, they don't want to go east. They go get a good. Okay, Pullman, Moscow, that's what they tell me, you know, and it sounds reasonable. They don't want to.

Rob Moore: Move around.

Norla Callison: As much as. Right. I got a good no smoking to of whatever you need. Moscow, the Spokane. An hour and a half. No fast either. 22 miles and all facts. 67 miles an hour. You're up there a little bit. You know, they build a decent road from a lot into Moscow, which would be a very simple to do that one they're doing build.

I sure don't approve of that I think. Come up it come right up the cockeyed canyon and take up one little road. They got a natural. They got to come right up Hathaway Creek until they get to that North Fork of Halfway Creek, and it comes out right at the old Archibald and Erickson place is right. So, yeah, I guess be one, one, one main turn in the road.

That's where they turn up the North Fork of that Edward Griffin. I got a straight road. I wouldn't be very far. Yeah. And no one would be. And it would be a real a water road. The Lewis and Orange everything. It wouldn't take off normal Lewis to kick off of their behalf like Rick and Lewis and so afraid that somebody is going to take off or not take all.

No. If they want to take I'll run out there. But don't watch all this fish children could, you know, all that cake all right there. You know. Well, maybe not all that much. but I think the is the best route live. All right, come on up. Come on up to the next. Yeah. that, Oh, one of the Colorado little secret.

Well, coyote. Great. Well, yeah. But up here, I don't know if I go up there quick creek and then come up. Yeah, I'm going to park there, then come on right up there to. Well, oh. What's the name of that little settlement over there? Well, a bit partner to Cornwall. I'll be right at Cornwall. Joel. Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't drive from Lawton to Moscow on the map. I know, I know, if you want to really get a good road that, you wouldn't have to come up to you. Yeah, you can take up little pathway. It's on the other side, a fixed rate. Yeah. It comes out down with the concrete block to us. Okay.

That comes out up there. Used to East Genesee at 4:00. Darren Creek schoolhouse in that valley. Lucerne. Yeah. Now Genesee is on the head of that creek. We can get just a smooth water grade or anything. I think that's the park to go, but motion wants everything come out looking. But they're going to they're going to kick themselves on this airplane business by not getting in and playing ball.

Because some of these days that they just going about well, I know them three years. They don't have an airport. They're dumb. I told them they're taking off our flights all the time. Yeah. And the more they take off, why? Why the less the more teams that have people just getting a grand, good, feel good.

Rob Moore: Louis has always been pretty jealous of things.

Norla Callison: I know they always want everything. They got a bunch of businessmen down there that don't see much for the name of their.

Rob Moore: No. I know when Louis and used to be the capital. I know we know there was a big fight there to try to take. I think Capital Lake. They fought for.

Norla Callison: A couple of years. The other and somebody else told to.

Kick. There's no sense, cause we got the University of Idaho up here. Oh, yeah. Somebody's another. And they've got two big schools down there. Do you remember the, major trade? You know, how we come and get the university and, boys, you got the penitentiary. You look back years of Indians as years ago in history, way back and that we had a choice.

They give us a choice of taking the university or the penitentiary. We took the university native Japan, and they kick their ass every time they saw one of my take them. Well, I've always kind of figured that maybe the card land mine had a lot to do with that. Well, the Corn Lane mine and their their taxes don't hurt the state of Idaho.

And you know.

Rob Moore: Do you remember the.

Norla Callison: when people down there don't care anything about North Idaho?

Rob Moore: I do remember the big fight years ago about, trying to turn the state of north Idaho, eastern Washington.

Norla Callison: Well, I remember one time that they was going to take the University of Idaho away from us, and they're like, one vote and they get one vote. Forget it. And the legislature, I never was talk one time of cutting off the northern part of Idaho and the eastern part of, Washington and making a state on the western part of Montana.

But but Montana internet. You take, the western Montana down and beat the the divide and. Yeah, the divide was supposed to beat them up. Yeah. And then that gum surveyors, they had to run that line through from down there in Salmon City. You know, you come up there and then you, you kept going this way, all this way people and, and and dadgum surveyors was gone for days and they kept a barren too much of the way up.

And when they got up in North Idaho, they bought a bunch of left over to Washington. What was the fall of the Continental Divide? The continental divide is just easy to build. Oh, that's the continental divide, maybe. Well, and they never change it. They let it stay. But that's where you look back in your old history. And that's where there's a very.

You got fouled.

Rob Moore: Up.

Norla Callison: Oh yeah. And they didn't follow the Bible.

Rob Moore: That's story I heard was was it. They got they got confused between the better routes in the Rockies. And they ended up running along the, the Bitterroot and.

Norla Callison: Just kept going all this way to the left all the time. No, Western Montana was was intended to be the better route to the divide. No, not it's not.

Rob Moore: It's a divide. We're here in Montana.

Norla Callison: Yeah, yeah, but the Continental divide is just east of Butte, right?

Rob Moore: The Continental Divide was supposed to be the. Do I know what would be the big square state?

Norla Callison: That's right. Now, Spokane. the the money and the capital and the earnings of the Coeur d'Alene mines is what they're talking. And the water power from our little stream project from here in Spokane, eastern Washington has the same problems as we have with getting south out. Yeah. I think you this just what Western Washington wants them to have.

But they've got the population already. They just give them the crumbs over here. That is what we get up here. Whatever happened to that movement?

Rob Moore: Whatever happened to that movement to to make a new state?

Norla Callison: I don't know, it died just like it was born, I guess is going to call it going to call them Lincoln. nothing. Yeah. They even had a name picked out for them. Oh, you take, Eastern Washington. Just take in Spokane.

And western Montana, they're Montana is a big state. You get all you get on the railroad. You see how long it takes you to cross that state at, I'm driving across it in a car, I don't know, come on. Way to cross. You better fifth Avenue. No kidding. I never been in Compton, north and south, but it better come to the east.

West? Yeah. Yeah. You travel. I want Chicago on the North course. Never did. We left full camp in the morning. They don't in the whole town. Spokane. And we got on at 9:00 or nine times. I did a few minutes before, after 9:00. And people there in Spokane, and we rode all day, all that night and got up next morning and was over by a city that was still in Montana.

And that old train clipped right along. They don't stop everybody. Chicken coop. They clip right on, pick them out. No, we still in Montana was oh, man, I was just getting daylight. We went to my city. I come across Montana now 50, like I said is.

Rob Moore: we didn't we didn't talk much. Let's talk about depression. And, I know, I know the, you know, the 1893 depression. Somebody told me that a lot of the early homesteaders were busted out by the depression and had and left. Some went and left. What you can't agree on there did most people in the in the 30s depression manage to hold on to their places, or were there a lot of people, people, you know, while forced, moved into?

Norla Callison: I don't think you and I are both held on to there. We were just poor and go turkey, but we held on, that debt load here. So great for $0.22 a person. How? Compared to Moscow with Hartford now that that 93. That 93. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Rob Moore: Oh, yeah. Did they did they ever, talk about the hell the difference between the two different depressions.

Norla Callison: The difference between the two? Yeah. Oh, if they did, I don't remember. But that then that was a terrible one. I'll tell you when you're.

Rob Moore: The first one in the cycle.

Norla Callison: The first one. The second one was terrible. I would know about that one. But the first one was a real bad one. Yeah. You can imagine, selling weight for $0.22 to buy from Holland Clearing to Moscow. And I dare say that had that much in it by the time they got it up there. A dirt road, but on a dirt road to no bottom, to the right, on a dirt road, on a dirt road, not damn Porter Road at that.

And but to have the heart to heart and sell it in order to pay what bills they could pay, trashman had to be paid a lot of time. He didn't get paid no. All there were, there were people were rusted. I'm sure of that. And, no, my father was one of the few that got their grain harvested.

Pardon my folk. Sam was one of the few that got the grain in before rain. Yeah, and they had a little company and fax machine here, and he was lucky. Well, and had I just a few acres I don't we but he got it right before dark rain. I don't remember at that time, Dad and Uncle Harris was farming together and they were heading.

And now we went from there on the stack. I don't know, I don't know whether it was in the stack or not, but I think it was. I don't want to dance. And like I said, it just rained and rained and rained. He said they had, I had a sack for always got their trash and they had it covered.

It had to take four horses on a wagon to pull ten sacks out in the field and said he's going to, yeah, get down and hold it in and store it in the barn. They yeah, they, they a few, but there's a lot of them never saved the crown. I don't think. But we think, my God, we have a tough one.

I don't know, you really had it rough.

Rob Moore: What was that about? You think that was the hardest thing they had to go through? Or was was it harder in the in the, in the in the first time in the first few years hole was it harder to, to kind of get through depression or is it harder to.

Norla Callison: Oh, Peter, only second depression. We had more and we're brother, we're used to more. We all had cars. You know, it's Roosevelt when he took it over from Hoover where we had cars and and better. They were just getting a little better roads. We didn't have much rock on the roads. They never got into rock on the road down here until we got the old WPA.

I sure we got this course Rock on the road here, but people were better off and the second one here than there were on that 93 on all three of them came here and they didn't have anything when they got here. You know, Franklin Roosevelt depression. They had better home, better buildings. Most everybody had a car. Sometimes you want to first class car to get you there and back.

I think our third. Right. Nothing like you were in in the 93. Yeah. I don't think, our, our car set in the shed for, I think two year. Yeah. I couldn't even afford to buy gas for.

Rob Moore: Or are you still using. Using using horses, Horses in the 30s.

Norla Callison: Yeah, I knew you bet you can't.

Rob Moore: I've heard mules are pretty hard to handle, I've heard mules are pretty hard to handle. Oh, no.

Norla Callison: No, no, that that's a mistaken idea. I love you, you worked him for years.

Rob Moore: Do you think they're easier to handle on a horse?

Norla Callison: Oh, I liked it better than I really did. Know one thing. They were famous. That and that pounding part. They were. They were famous a clown. Me? Oh, yeah. Them long legs and more. They could just walk a horse a day. Yeah, they took longer. Stand up like a hawk. You're walk him there. Another thing I liked about them, they all seemed to be eating, you know, a horse stream.

You had a dam flow. When they come, faster. And the mules, they were all gated about the same. And another thing. And you wouldn't step on a mean. No, you being mean or a corner be plowing the garden. Anything like. Yeah, I don't know why, but they they just didn't step on stuff. Now they could tell I don't know the name or, you know, he was dragging feet.

You know what? If we don't step on it, you drag your feet and drag it out of the ground, you know, but but a mule walk after that, after a long leg. Eventually, you know, you and we are used to drill a lot with all the drill mules. After I got the mule, they go pretty slow up the hill.

But boy, I got on top that stretch right out. Yeah, and they were smart, but they didn't all take care of themselves. Yeah, they're just, plodding along right there on to get out of there. Just step right up. You didn't have to encourage him. If you. He was learning.

Rob Moore: Well, our mules is, Look at that idea in their heads. Are they stubborn? As everybody says they are? All the.

Norla Callison: Mule soldiers. Dumber now. But I don't know that people bothered me, and I. I didn't know in trouble getting around my record. I was just stubborn.

Oh, I know you. I talked to me. What is. You know. Hey, that's all they ever farm. But I didn't love you and Bingham, man. Yeah, and then we got all Red W's. Dad. Yeah. You bring them on the one way, man, that was a really. It all knew that. And we used to working on a ball hanging.

And he had a big old black man on one side. And he had that little Mable Murray. Remember I was on. That all stuff I he could pull that wagon. He pulled them out two together they.

All.

Rob Moore: You think you think the depression was a time when a lot of the farms started changing from small farms to big farms?

Norla Callison: Happened? Oh, just say that happened about 1929 and 30. That's when that started. That farm started getting bigger. Well, it got to the part time to some tough, and earlier, like 29 and, and the early 30s. The times are tough to you just couldn't let a small farm and just ran off. Another thing two lots of times the kids went off to school, and when they got to school, it didn't come back to the farm.

Right? They found out that they can make a living easier than on the farm. Well, I have quarry farming. For two years. The people living on Ranger made a living on 40 acre ground on 80 acres for the family. That's right. And they found out pretty soon one guy had 80 acres sold out to another guy that had 160.

Yeah. And that's the way it went that that movement. I think it started about the time dad bought them. I don't know about.

Rob Moore: So he's been pretty unusual for a, for, in the early days for a boy to leave the farm. The most people usually stay in the well, us guys.

Norla Callison: Yeah, partner. All of them stayed on the ridge, but there was a lot on. My God. Went on, they go and they go off to school and a large percentage never come back. And they learn. Got education, got a better I got a better job, but with less work. But nowadays there's quite a few of these country boys go to school and come back and talk.

They got they got that going on out back. Back in 32. You could hire a man for a dollar a day. You get a damn good man for an hour and a half. I don't really know it. Well, best man, I ran on the price of $10. Buy a work shirt. Like, what do you go on there for $0.39?

$0.59 for a good barrel. Overalls. The copper rivets in the corners. He coat. Now, I was terrible. 85 I called you take a coat. Now I'm just to wear around the place. Yeah. There's not tomorrow the another day. And I said give me a Levi I want to and find out where Jack got that coat you got. Yeah, but they didn't have my size.

Or, you know, a little bitty one. I mean, it just the same. 15 bucks that didn't include the tax. Whatever. You bought a pair of coveralls, and you what? You pay for that? Oh, yeah. I ordered it. Yeah. Oh, you can buy a good pair. Good pair for $0.59. Good work. Shirt, $0.39. Two and a half for pair of shoes, then shirt over from got government word.

That's where we all got our shoes and wasn't the right way to do it. That's one of my big told the more crooked. You didn't get a pair of shoes right off and. And what you did, you should take her to get them. If you could get your for your shirt off her and have a little healthy McCartney, send off mail, order out and get her shoes.

It didn't fit for.

Rob Moore: Martin long time, but a farmer off of well, I think it was off of this ridge who, used to eat. You didn't want to bring his kids into the store because you didn't want, I guess isn't what I'm saying. A bunch of things I wanted to get and, person about how he used to bring in stick for, measure for each kid's foot.

Yeah, I guess I guess every fall when he goes crop, they bring a stick for each kid's foot and shove them into the Bible. Right.

Norla Callison: So I shoot the other thing in the big family. Yeah. They could hand them down to and out. Kid, you know? But I gotta wear a pair of shoes and. No, to a younger brother or sister under. They wore everything out. Not.

People. And then they were happy and think, oh, yeah. And sometimes I think you might be here a happier and more happened there. Now, people nowadays are are used to so much and have so much that they get bored if they don't have everything. Plus, well, one thing, we didn't have the income tax to pay, didn't have no income.

Well, there was no income tax. What are the starters? Income tax and.

Well, we were paying income tax quite a lot as well. Maybe I got married. I know that it must have been. In the early 20s. It must have been that.

Rob Moore: One of the columns coming up here.

Norla Callison: Well, we've had some started pretty early in the year. They didn't make it. They went went belly up. But the first call that I remember around here, that that started was Kendrick Rochdale. and that creamery, you remember that creamery down here? And then it was at Farmers Hardware and the farmer Hardware was in farmer one at the Farmers Union, and they were the first ones, and then they went belly up.

Yeah. That, that, that is on the ridge here. I was going to go over here on Ridge when it was a goal. And that the, the Rochdale first is I remember right. Yeah. And the farmers hardware, that was a co-op you know there. Yeah. The kitchen was for granddad and stocking it and then that, that creamery remember.

Now we're not picky. We got the ham. The co-op cream here went belly up. Yeah.

Rob Moore: Well how did, how did how did the the co-ops or so big today. How did they get started around here?

Unknown: Well, I don't know.

Norla Callison: That worse timing is where the co-op is to get them a manager. That's honest enough. But he won't bring all the profits out and stick it in his own buck. That's what happens. A lot of times you get some crook, a guy in a small market co-op and easy to do for a bigger corporation. It wouldn't be. It runs anything.

You well, these little ones, you know, buying. I get the wrong man in there. You know why you'd you'd leave it to that. That apple.

Rob Moore: Around here. If you're messing around here.

Norla Callison: But what was the name of that co-op in Mark IRA Haven. Run it for a while. Yeah it was. I don't left sick stuff there. I'm in that co-op member, Jesse Dow. Yeah, yeah, but we call him. They went belly up. Yeah.

Unknown: And then that.

Rob Moore: Was that because of bad management?

Norla Callison: And then bird sold that stock and had that one up on snake River Avenue. Yeah. I can't, There's a cold ocean park. Come on. I had kind of that that was, that's been started down this place established. Don't you remember that Carlson boy? Yeah. Yeah, I remember really well, Bruce and Bruce. he was mixed up there, but he wasn't.

They have one no bird over him, and he just. Bird got all the money. Hey, he was a bird for the guy that sells stuff. Yeah, he's always talking there, and they. It made it big. They had a good story, a great a lot of stuff. And then an operation about a year. And the first thing on the front of the ship, the country, we had all the money in the city went out of there with over $100 dollars went to.

And he got all of for one of them being a good deal. since then I have met Martin Courtland. And we had another co-op Creamery. And, down here, the one in there where Harold Thomas was in all that. Yeah. At one time, that was a cola we had. We've had two co-op creameries. McHenry.

Rob Moore: What? How would a Co-op Creamery work?

Norla Callison: Well, I used to sold stock in it. Our manager and a guy, another guy to do the work. And the people everybody had brings your great man Zelda eggs and green dome.

Rob Moore: And then gets to buy back other stuff at low prices or something. I don't know.

Norla Callison: If I ever bought anything any cheaper, and I couldn't much place, you know. Well, not a hell, I didn't sell anything except butter and and then at the end of the year, they figured out what the expenses wasn't the profits. And then they go according to the amount of stock. And you got here. Is it all share their share?

Maybe 1%. 2%, maybe not any dividend once in a while. And then after living in separate. For and up and up. And my.

Oh, God.

Rob Moore: somebody told me about a group called Black Hand. Know I it wasn't on this bridge was over on average. That's what I hear. You never heard anything about that.

Norla Callison: The black and. Yeah. Have you ever heard of black?

What? What was the purpose of them?

Rob Moore: it was kind of like a mafia. Oh, yeah. I don't know if it was what we're told. My uncle was just for imagination or if it was something real. I was trying to kind of chase it. I tend to think it might have been, But it has. It hasn't bad feelings about some people and decided they were all organized against her.

And that was the name of the group that.

Norla Callison: First I'd ever heard of anything like could have been before our time.

Unknown: okay. Well.

Norla Callison: Well, I believe in something like that. Our folks that are known about it. Yeah, maybe they told us about it. Was about to tell us. I never heard anything about it.

Rob Moore: Yeah, like, I kind of figured it was, had more than more fiction than that.

Norla Callison: It could be that cheat had just about lost her mind. The magic of death. And I never heard of anything like it.

Rob Moore: We were talking earlier about the, the, the guy down there on a little bear floated out the sort of hermit guy down there. Where there were there, hermits and people like that in the early days, who were the people who, who never, never associated much with, sort of the building up of the area, you know, or the other community later.

Norla Callison: He's the only one I ever remember. Do you remember in about, Oh one. I never knew the old Jim Reid down here. You know, a lot of our ridge orchard is in the canyon. Yeah, he lived there only with him, as he was, but nobody he would come up for Shark Week and help that harvest family. Yeah.

He used to work for the for the railroad company. Yeah. You couldn't call him a hermit? No, but he lived alone down here, little Jack. But, he was quite a boomer. Boom. He all, you know, quite helpful that that's why I lost your job at the railroad, the telegraph operator. And I couldn't, couldn't have brought a telegraph operator.

Well, I finally get the remote in in the morning bunny corral and he in fact, when I got broken, I figured I'd have him care, call him and bring him up in the house. You know, cooked water steps down there at the time. Yeah, but the shack and broke up in the house. Do you remember what a carpenter?

Yeah, I remember one. He lived alone. He. Palmer finally wound up and took him. You know I did. He died over there. Yeah, but I never thought I. He never appeared to me like he's crazy. I don't know why. Why that sitting over there. I rather he went over there. I don't know whether we'd make him. Remember, most of our argument.

Then I got him to free. Time to go home. Coyote out. in between where he lived afterward. Where Helen lived. All that used. That used to be pretty timbered country. Yeah. In there, it just kind of goes brown water there. That's all I can get acquainted. She continued, one week before that, he went crazy. You know, he used to walk around right in the shade there and make one make him a stake in the corner.

Rob Moore: I didn't do anything crazy. He never.

Norla Callison: Bothered.

Rob Moore: Nobody. Yeah, I just I just meant, I trying to the idea of of what kind of people the people were who were the early homesteaders know and what, what kind of person it was, who would who would come out west, you know, and settle into a new land? and, you know, there were some people who were, you know, family man and, you know, and kind of came out and helped build up the community.

There was some people who were, you know, that's what going to be different.

Norla Callison: Some of them were back. Most the first settlers here were for pretty all that. profit factor and started coming. Right, man. And, your uncle Martin. Martin, you heard about the Rodney, George Dougherty. John Robert Shanmugam. Yeah. And we're all battle through.

Rob Moore: They all were young men looking.

Norla Callison: Well, I don't know. I imagine they all. I've been there, 25. Wouldn't that be? Well, I imagine that that.

oh. One thing about him, they were the best hearted people, and they they were neighborly. They they do anything for each other. If somebody needed help or gotten to by and by God, the neighbors always come and help him out. Yeah. People were were neighborly during sophomore year, and I wanted. Everybody to they didn't have any they didn't have any money, but they were happy they did it.

Help help the other guy out. And they were neighbors, good people, good hearted. Well, in reality, they were all in it together. Children and the oldest alive.

Rob Moore: Oh, well, what what were usually their reasons or what? What were your granddad's reasons for, for coming out and suddenly and settling? If you're leaving? Where was they were before? And coming in?

Norla Callison: They went out looking for the rainbow, looking for something better. Oh, yeah. They had, you know, they're happy to hear about our wonderful country going on here. And my wife there. Well, we are. Why not go out there and hopefully. Yeah, just like the boys, they could, they could get land for, well, I think get a homestead.

My dad was about there. A guy. I guess it didn't get a homestead out here. He had to buy his off a school tract.

But my grandfather, he got home here, land all home. And your grandfather got him? the whole home to this place, he. He homesteaded about a year, I think. And he took security and granddad on a correction and finished it up. I see, I thought, well, what your your folks go 80, 88. Well, that mother's lived by hand and and 95 and, the homestead, the log on them except the one that granddad in the name of Jim Turpin parish and his name are Jim Turpin.

Perkin Turpin or Turpin Terp. Jim Turpin. And we can all learn a little five acre patch right on the top. You know, the hay barn up there. And he had a little farm, Jack there, and he had a fireplace, you know, for years and years there was a lot of work out where that fireplace used to, a rocker from 20 or 30 years that it was like you scratch out a rocker and everything.

that shack was, you know, our territory here was down here at the, Omar place. I called the Cherry Tree Hill. North Fork hill, the other side of the large place. You know, you go up real well. You go down and then up. Yeah. Yeah, right on top. That was Cherry Tree Hill. Another one. There used to be an Oklahoma tree right up there.

and I dug Rock out of there. One spring out of their work for, I don't know, 2 or 3 days. Dig a rock over there. it was, I figured it was a cellar foundation. You know, the rock at the top rock had all been hauled off, but this whole foundation was around there, and they kept working up.

Yeah, yeah, and they were shot. Rock. Rock star kept. And, Sheriff Robert, tell me that one time he went down there, shocked his dad and one of the first motion machines in the country. and they all fell on it. There was a name by the name of Judd, and he went down there, did some mon forget, and it came night.

And Josh. True. So they invited him to stay all night. And he ran all night leaping in the barn. And he said for supper they didn't have any sweet corn. They had field for, young field don't work hard. And.

Or, Judd had a brother in law. They were staying with him, and he wasn't too bright and sorry for that. That guy. I don't know how many years of that field corn. The eight. But lower in the night Josh woke up. That guy was a grown and he was asleep and in the barn and, Yeah, he just he got up and he staggered around and he said he finally made it down to the house and he holiday food.

Judd. Hey, Judd, you have one of your what? He said, get a good shrimp, Jack. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good to that car. Ain't that even a terrible misery? Hey, tell me about what you. You take care of the bill down, Harry. Langdon's not working long. Right there on top of the hill, and he come along, and he told me that story.

He told me that the guy was live there. I had. Yeah, he.

The Hutchison boys, you know, homestead that place down there? the Meyer. But, yeah, I was always called the old Hutchison place down. There's two brothers, one homestead to the east part and the other the part where you live. Yeah.

Well, those weren't. Where in the devil did Jeb come in? You about, you after? but that was the two of the Hutchison homestead. Yeah, I think they're, you know, one, we each find a place. I think we're all there where you're speaking about it is over there? Yeah, towards the canyon. That house. Yeah. And you told me.

Well, which Hutchison it was. I can't remember the first name that. But there are two brothers said that. Well, you see that the lot, the line fence, you know, you know where the line between the outgoing person and and it by all that's the one fence, the one right on North 50. That would be pretty much where that road was.

Yeah. I don't know where 80 on the job. You for that. Yeah. That's that's the same. Yeah. One.

And that, that would be it'd be a half a mile from there to the other and a half mile from there, back to this area and the mile, the little base. Yeah. get it, get it, get it again. Don't shoot me. Okay.

Rob Moore: Well, the first few years of the homesteading, nothing but, hard work. Or if people managed to go out and have a good time or have a. I will never joke. Ever. Now, living in.

Norla Callison: Well, I they used to have literary over here during school. I heard the Frank talk about that once in a while and Sam become greener. Yeah. There is no greater I could have had have right there by going to that one used to go to there. I don't know who the filter was. Now I see you sitting up there playing the pin on the top there.

Yeah. Over the green River. Yeah. Pretty good sized. Pretty good sized hole. And then they, they built a church community together and built a church, a community church. And I wound up there in the Methodist church, I told it, yeah, I don't know how they got, did good or anything. I don't know, for a methodist church, but it was built as a community church.

Anybody that, what do you call with the intention of development and school? I don't know how many. A lot. school off of down. Now, the third schoolhouse there were built on that property. Yeah. George got the version. Yeah, that. The old one is over here. Helen. The second one. The door down. Frank, he made a residence out of the third.

Yeah. And the third one was part and and build on the second lot of, lumber and, third school off. And I think a lot of the furniture or the second. But the first one still intact. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, garage. I'm at your dad one school now, and we got pictures of dad. Yes, mom. Frank. John Brock, the bastard.

Rob Moore: Charles. Your dad? Just a boy. They came here.

Norla Callison: Ten years old, and there was a bunch of them guys. One school there, you know, great big guy, grown man, grown man, mustache. Them grown men.

Big school dad. One of those 60 older. Fathers. At one time, there were 48 there. And, I heard people say that, but I went home on my own. I went home before, you know, all these great.

I turned four and 499. You know something? I don't know what to do about there. There were no. Hey, no, no, no, no big David, America, Elder Robert, and, I can't think of my own husband's name, Mabel Randall bench Carter. They all the same. Great. All time. yeah. And we got a picture of Carrie Brock and a bunch about that.

Yeah. Was going there. young Carrie was older. What did she know? I think I believe Carrie Young. Well, maybe, but, yeah, I. Anyway, John. Is he John Brock lyric John. And Frank was just a little younger than dad here, so anyway, what I can understand is only one of those. A girl doesn't get ball. He might.

There he was an album. Pictures. Yes, mom.

John thing from Frank. John Brock and Dad and the Badgers.

Rob Moore: I heard that Sam Carlson was a pretty, had a pretty good temper to him.

Norla Callison: Hey, why don't you file your,

Rob Moore: Trouble?

Norla Callison: I'll never forget him. An old job. It shut the hell up. Another like deuce. More followed. I'm going Republican, but they didn't agree. At all. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Brandon had a pretty nasty fight when he was young, man. He. He was a professional rapper going back east. Oh, he had any pretty handy with his Dukes between the wrestling in the in the box and he put up a fight.

We got killed at that time. Now he had Kendrick, He liked to kill G at that time down here in Kendrick. Yeah, well, yeah. They didn't get in a fight the day I saw him, but they were having a tug of war. And I can't remember. I think it was J. I made a mark in the street.

It was just a dirt street scene. I think he made a mark where he came. Can't remember. He always spoke at the 4th of July. Yeah. Made the patriotic. Anyway, if it was J.R. that made the mark, Sam come along and rubbed it out. It on the shootings. Yeah. it sounds about right. I'll never forget that. Yeah, and that was the year that whatever war down there it was all with Potlatch.

This world I grew. One of those big old Dutch big man up there do no good. You bet your.

Rob Moore: Life there from the potlatch mill. One of the camps or one.

Norla Callison: Oh, just caught by that quick down potlatch route that took on Lake Leland and all that big company. Rich people, part crew. Yeah.

Rob Moore: They take everybody on,

Norla Callison: Yeah, that take on everybody. Them big Dutchmen out there, 250 pounders. They were big guy one year, I think. One year that the world beat him. I remember I maybe I'm wrong, man a long time, but I remember old John Woody was on the end of the line, and, boy, he was powerful. You like bull? Yeah. And it was Harry.

Help! And Pete, I can't remember who. Oh, I don't know. Up. But they were all pretty fair men. and I think that year I believe that maybe she thought. Right. Hank Black, remember? Yeah. He had a big old bird to all out like they all Foghorn boys.

Unknown: You had a man that.

Norla Callison: And I think on Irish side, you can try the key. You remember how big he was? Yeah. Thought he was that when he worked a mile down it all the way to 60.

Unknown: Oh, you too, big man.

Norla Callison: There were the days.

Rob Moore: Where it used to be a lot of big celebrations, like 4th of July.

Norla Callison: Oh, we never missed that. Yeah, every 4th of July.

Rob Moore: Oh. And stuff. What happened? Pardon. What kind of stuff would happen.

Norla Callison: Oh. I don't know I don't. Do they ever have a balloon fight. You know I don't think I ever did. And you tear them down as you. Yeah. There used to have them Juliana have, have one afternoon fountain of Yellowness.

Rob Moore: Yeah.

Norla Callison: they can or can have a spot, I guess. Big enough for one. I don't know why that, I don't know. Remember one in Kendrick, but I've been. Did you hear over the drums? Gone on the 4th of July? I don't know. Did they ever celebrate the day? They never saw one of them celebrated the July the other one did not do.

Yeah. He was. I had a picnic. Some picnic with that. Yeah. And Kendrick was celebrating the 4th of July. And I always had a baseball game. I ended up at a fighter, too. If I played you yet. And all on ended up. Why?

Rob Moore: Why were the safari fields to Kendrick and Juliet or.

Norla Callison: Okay, same as any cute town close together. Just rivalry. You always figured you can make. It would always work. Come on, a baseball game. They good for, you know, rotten decision. I don't know whether I ever told you or not, but I ran on through guy up here at the, hot Springs. They used to live down here on The View.

We had a great guy, I got it. He lived here stuff. Robert Priestley, you remember down the hallway? Yeah. And, yeah, there was a ravine. I think that one to play. Anyway, they used to peddle produce, garden produce coming through to try and master. And he knew all the guys names along this road. Hell are you recognize my name right away.

He did. Yeah. And he wanted to know if I lived down that road between Vietnam truck. Anyway, he said he used to go up to Kendrick, and then he was just a kid then, and, he had a kid from Google. He had used to go up to Kendrick and play a baseball, and he said, if we beat him, they run it home down the railroad track.

Well, the baseball bat.

Yeah. How about it? Anyway, I was trying to think and I got I got way around. But he here, he remembered, I don't know if maybe that long there. Cox's room. And what do you and Robert Johnson and our name and and right on up through Allen and Harold. He could remember more. The change. Yeah. The archer. Oh, Ray.

Archer. Yeah. Oh, my. And people I don't, I don't get no for years. Harland.

Marshall is only one left.

We don't wanna talk.

Rob Moore: With you. You were saying that, was it Sam? Was Jim Mitchum you see in the audience about,

Norla Callison: Oh, yeah, they were. They were both Republicans, but they fight reopened politics.

Rob Moore: Pretty sore point for some people that people feel pretty strongly.

Norla Callison: Oh, they took it pretty serious on the time. Grant that they never argued over politics, did they? All different. Got Guardians would, this one got a Republican rally down here in general. Oh, yeah. He was right after the town. It burned, and it was only 1 or 2 little shacks left in the town, and they were going to have a Republican rally.

And, and they didn't let random number. Oh, keep left out. I met him, worked it up. Yeah, he worked it up. And by golly, granddad heard about it. And, when he heard about it while the meeting was in progress. And then we both went down, I just matter and met him, you know, before he. And invited.

And when he got to the place, why they was all in there and and I was up a making a speech down. What an asshole. Meet his hammer. Oh, no. And granddad walked in the door and stood there and hurting. Yeah. And meeting he made it I for hell, yeah. He got old. Got old. Yeah, yeah. Got his head under his arm, I guess, but I ain't got the next day before he didn't know nothing about it.

And I met all day. I, I'm a mayor rally. You get me a horse back in it. Yeah. It's going down the all by the old Johnson. But they will see tortures you know. Got an in the met. Yeah. Coming up fourth back and he faces you see what I face it all company will go off prior to that.

Yeah. He's the get his may or never get back me you try. You been out with the boys yet know that. Is that it or working more. Yeah. You got any. You didn't go into detail. I haven't got down down that road. What? What it took place. Oh they they got several fight,

Rob Moore: Well, the most people take their politics pretty seriously. Oh, I know we.

How much how would politicians campaign around here hardened. How would a politician can if somebody is running for office around here, how would you campaign?

Norla Callison: Oh. Oh, hell, I can remember. Oh. yeah. Picnic or, and get you have a picnic or go. Might get your own. Well, yeah, I can, I can remember when they come down here and give pictures of the school off. School off of before. Yeah. guys, like, Oh. Who in the hell with that guy? And a half representing Merck.

No personal friend. Yeah, I remember him being down there, and I think old, everyone's the senator from, the Bora labora. I think labora even spoke down Mac Billboard. Yeah, the lion of Idaho, they used to call me. Yeah. And of course, Oh, a sheriff and things like that from a lot of county, the county officials, a county official said, don't come down here, you know, and, pick it up.

no, they just get on over there. And I don't remember what they did. All Republicans or not. But this this county used to be a strong Republican. You couldn't lecture about it. Better Democrat. Just run out. Run, He just run on run? Yeah. A Democrat didn't even, I don't know, 100 K turn the tide was wrong about Franklin Roosevelt.

administration. I think when the Democrats start to get in.

Rob Moore: Well, didn't Roosevelt have some have some pretty good programs for farmers?

Norla Callison: Well, I thought he did. He's the one who started it, and they're still using a lot of. But yet he here he balanced my budget and that satisfied me. There was a lot of, a lot of Republicans hollered about it. Oh, of course they were. They were there from lion stuff to Roosevelt and they, they they hollered about the things that they were doing.

And when the Republicans got in, they went right on on the program. You never knew the difference. Yeah. Never knew. Well, that they had to, but they knew that, that they knew what they didn't know that there were out there was a good program, and it was what the people wanted. And if they intend to stay in business, they better go along with it.

And we never knew that ever, from one administration to the other, except we got a little tougher all the time. Maybe old. You know what? When roads are not well right, I remember. Oh, wait, King, get to me. Oh, you think you're going to get a dollar figure a week this fall? that had no way. I said I don't, but I, I think I will get four men and ride.

Yeah, yeah. hell, it was only about $0.28. Okay. Wade was a good guy. Oh, he could lead him. Oh. He was. Oh, not not good. God damn politician. He was a rotten Republican. Yeah, he laid everything down over rough. he never again. We got the Civil War. He's still fighting the Civil War. You know, I'm always gonna call him up for civil war.

And I saw Wade one time. he was a mad man. I think he's a man that I was always. I was all wheat. And I had that old 26 year old truck, and it was just a year or two appetite and waited all week in the company credit union drive a green back home town. The border. Oh, I have it all came to.

And when it was older, the roots. The younger we used to call it. First they had a big like little traveling man. just happened traveling man. And I don't know how that man weighed when I drove up there buying him and later did an argument and he was just as rabid a Democrat, a Labor Republican. He was smart.

There's this other man. Well, posted and bang all in. The traveling man was making it pretty rough on Lady. Finally, he just gotten disgusted and. He turned around and left. turn around to Lee. Wade in and energy started to leave his in the wind. He said, you don't know what you're talking about. Ask questions.

But boy, talk about being mad, right? Yeah, putting a pretty strong yeah. yeah. I never forgot that. You know what you're talking about. Ask question.

Wade was of this opinion. He was for the two party system, but he was for the two party system. Yeah, but the Republicans should always be in power. Yeah, that was his habit, his strategy, her ideas. But he went along with it should always be a two party system. But the Republicans always be about, well, I may be mistaken, but I think that Watergate is going to help Gulf Party.

Well, it may clean up a lot of stuff. And. Right, I think it's gonna show just what can happen to them if they get too far along. Yeah. And there's no doubt about it. But what? Nixon was too far out of line.

Rob Moore: Well, and, in other scandals, like, you know, Teapot Dome and things like that, the that can have the same effect. I think it cleaner for that.

Norla Callison: It was a drop in the bucket. What is it. Well, I'm telling you about dome. Paul Harding was not to blame. It was his underdog to did the whole damn work. And he killed Harding. But he came forward, you know, he didn't try to cover up anything. There's never been a predator. hell, Nixon and the first president was ever in trouble.

That man, even old Lincoln, was in trouble. But he came forward. He was there. God, when they opened the door to have the hearing, you know, you retire. Yeah. There's a bunch of crooks that just knocked it. Pulled the chair out from under Harding. Yeah, yeah, it killed everyone. Yeah, that really did. I miss that Harding said that she would say she was never too fat in her life if when Harding was elected president, because she knew what was going to happen, because she knew the guys that put him in there.

Yeah, they elected him there, elected him for a purpose. The man that they figured they could use. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think he worked a lot in that. So nowadays, if politics is vicious, we don't shop enough. Our nation in God. Look at the dirty tricks you pull. Wow. I can't help myself. Have done a lot of.

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