Latah County Oral History Collection

Sam Schrager: This conversation with Jane Wilson, Ring Sage and Steiner. Ring Sage took place when they visited my wife, Laura Schrager and I at our home in Pullman on November 7th, 1976.

Jean Ringsage: From Portland and established a home park. I don't think the when the women weren't hadn't come down yet, but Herbert Steiner's dad was living in there with his stepmother, and Charlie was one of the strong able bodied loggers with never had anything wrong with them. But he'd suddenly got smitten with kind of a blue or something, just saddened, terribly severe, couldn't breathe.

Jean Ringsage: His chest was killing him. Cold fever, everything. No doctor, of course, out there. And they didn't even have a telephone. But I think the father and the father in all walked over to a neighbor and they knew that Steiner's dad was a chiropractor and they asked if he'd come over. And I was about three and a half miles in the winter time.

Jean Ringsage: I only Roder had a sleigh and he gave him just one treatment. This was in the morning. He just suffering all night. He just I guess he just just fine. Very gently. And he just ran past him and he felt some relief next morning.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, he did that with his sister, too.

Jean Ringsage: You know, I told him one time. did you know? So that was.

Sam Schrager: That. Did Mrs. Stratton believe in?

Sam Schrager: Is that he was because of the.

Jean Ringsage: yes. She said he definitely helped them.

Stiner Ringsage: And they had a neighbor in there.

Jean Ringsage: And she's a Christian scientist. I mean she isn't professing I mean she hasn't she's professing possibly, but not practicing because of lack of contact. But her mother was a very strong Christian scientist. And yes, he's they definitely said, you know, she's I think what you think is when help. And so something must because Charlie, she said just he just was so sick he figured he was going to die.

Jean Ringsage: You. No. Never been having never been sick and suffering and just it was just a real bad I don't think he was going to die at all from his chest. Every breath was killing them. His head was just bursting, either on set of a very bad flu or possibly a type of pneumonia. I don't know. But he got well.

Sam Schrager: Do you do you think that there is a relationship between this business and the secret life of plants and and this sort of healing power that that that he had Because you were talking.

Sam Schrager: About the relationship.

Sam Schrager: Between that and the and the box that that you used to diagnose.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah.

Jean Ringsage: Well he is this box to diagnose or to pinpoint it helps you know if you can pinpoint a problem, whether it's your knees or your stomach and then you can.

Stiner Ringsage: Level my credit card, I wouldn't dare.

Jean Ringsage: Know what it was that they in this box had several. I have positive and positive. The negative.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah.

Jean Ringsage: I have grounds that they clamped on and I think he took one drop of blood from it. To me that was cast in and then they analyze it. But it helped to pinpoint where the where the greatest weakness where there was. I suppose the dial showed where the the life force was weakest and then he would supplement with Healing Britain.

Jean Ringsage: It could be even, of course, along with treatment, he could use the form and patients. He abused them.

Sam Schrager: Augmentation.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah. You know, that is an old fashioned thing where they took wool, preferably wool, while he put it in very hot water and then you'd put it on the back and then you put another blanket over it and then leave it for 10 minutes. And then we have another baby that was left. One of the ways that I remember that Australian nurse when Sister Kenny was that was treating polio that way.

Jean Ringsage: It forces the blood there. I mean, that was that was the standard. They used to do that and the kid had cold years ago and Grayson had pneumonia. And all it does is just bring the blood to that area so you can't form patients. Don't ask me why they stutter. I'll tell you this I thought was fascinating. It Swenson told me this.

Jean Ringsage: I've mentioned something about his sister. His sister in law, or his mother being so frail. And he said yes. And he said, you know, they were beating her. And he said it was called cupping. Yeah. And I've seen pictures of how they do it. Did you ever hear that expression I finally found in some old medical books of how it was done?

Stiner Ringsage: I've seen them do it with my mother.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: So there's a lot of little metal.

Jean Ringsage: There's a little metal thing. And inside this metal thing, there's something you push down, has tiny little knives, and it's just like pinpricks. And you can gradually graduate the depth you go into the back. He did worked on her back then. You have a cap. It should be a tumbler full and you fill up full one half water and then you pour it out.

Jean Ringsage: And then when you get when the blood starts to flow, you put this warm thing over that to bring more blood, but rather blood. Now that's is old fashioned cupping and that went on in our place of pot. So, you know, we're pretty primitive out there.

Sam Schrager: Do you think that you think that would kill?

Stiner Ringsage: Well, I think but.

Jean Ringsage: I think if you don't take too much blood and you've got great faith in us, I don't think it would hurt yet. But if he did.

Sam Schrager: That's right. And that's not the best recommended.

Jean Ringsage: No, No. Well, yeah. Did you believe in bleeding of any kind? I never did.

Sam Schrager: Know. Yeah. The coffee's water. Yeah, well, it's like. It's like. Like the old Lee kids.

Jean Ringsage: It's the same thing with the.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, that is.

Stiner Ringsage: It's the same thing.

Sam Schrager: I wonder, do you think that do you think that is interesting in in medicine why they had anything to do with, with his wife dying like that.

Jean Ringsage: no. It was a terrible condition. She lived under that.

Sam Schrager: No, I don't mean that. I don't mean that he caused it. I know that. That maybe because of her death, he became more interested in healing.

Jean Ringsage: I think.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, I mean, had other doctors that got him to take this shot. Yeah. They found out he had that power. It said, you've got more power in your system than I have. See some of the doctors and advised him to go, right? Yeah. In Missouri, there's a great school around there. So he did. He finally they convinced him back there and he went to the church.

Stiner Ringsage: I know. And my my brother and I did the farm and everything.

Jean Ringsage: I think of course, I think losing as we our young wife and realizing to that how important life was and to see her bleeding and hemorrhaging and all those things must have impressed upon the need for medical help or some kind of help. Then. And then he got he overcome TB by being outdoors with the fresh.

Stiner Ringsage: Air while eating.

Jean Ringsage: This fresh meal right straight. Yeah. And he saw that you can, you know, eat what you eat has a great deal to do. And the sunlight, all those healthful things, all those things.

Stiner Ringsage: You know, he was so busy working, trying to make your left kidneys small, no matter the gave came around. And if we get.

Sam Schrager: Started, Well, I get some of my friends.

Sam Schrager: We said, well, you said when the drafting machine stopped, we were.

Stiner Ringsage: Always ready, always start at beginning you see. So well, you know, I this yeah. This and this and that this time. And then finally we ran north and then he pulled me off the side. You know, a lot of fact. Bales of grain in a hurry. He phoned me off and when I got down, I found that all, you know where they had have for the fact that you didn't, you know, holding the pig out.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. In fact the fact that I'm not sure. Get down in there. That's great he all that we're gonna finally I got off of that and got out and I just crawled out into it with and so yeah.

Jean Ringsage: He never could get me down and keep me very long.

Stiner Ringsage: So finally I got to that home. Yeah. And I have slept again. And the water and the fireplace and that. You sound like really sad, my brother. Well, we slept in the big barn. You know how a lot of stuff there, but we're like, sleep in the barn and we slept in there. And in the morning he got up early on a Sunday morning or not, right in that far.

Stiner Ringsage: And he'd been around night and still sleep in the coming days of get up your level of run to his back. And I told you I'd get up here a lot sooner than Best man.

Jean Ringsage: Before.

Stiner Ringsage: I said, let's you get real good. You throw my brother, he's seven years old. I guess I throw him the last thing job. And, you.

Sam Schrager: Know, he was so.

Stiner Ringsage: Mad even did Yes. Enough to the highest enough that you knew he had laid down here right on the third floor and it and let you take any hope that I ever got on you. And if you could hold me down, I said you're the best man. Well, what I've made very fair. Well, you know, with all the things that man, when he put one arm around my neck and he put the other arm right there and all that weight he laid on here and the bottom was almost double arm like that, to the extent I know my neck restraint so far I couldn't talk.

Stiner Ringsage: And of all I could think with some noise, you know, or you don't know like you want you want to know if I'm ready, get up. You said you let ever run. So I. I give my time, get my hands up there and you know, I could double rider and I put my feet right next to arm, feed my hands and I get one quarter and everything turned black.

Stiner Ringsage: And I said, well hey, that's that. They those black. All right. So I just the theory goes another push him the next time I put that but more fire you know just tell that thing. And the next time I put all of my head on his manuscript, his arm right out like that, I called on him on top and get put on down like before he laid there.

Stiner Ringsage: And he's talking about how he can do his thing and finally get back up. And he's said, You know, these said, you're just like a dog. You know.

Jean Ringsage: Even our necks, that is the best wrestlers family, you know? Well, yeah. No, man, that's it. That's yeah. How admits of his son was pretty good. And now he is fine. We have x rays, you know, chest and so on. Our physical. He's got the most beautiful spine for using.

Stiner Ringsage: But the doctors.

Jean Ringsage: The doctor says you can just. Yeah. Does. He's the best doctor. Medical doctor. You've never been to crawling.

Stiner Ringsage: I mean, crying. All right.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah. tell him about that time. Yeah. Last year, when I was enjoying a sudden Southern Idaho stunner. And,

Stiner Ringsage: the fact that.

Jean Ringsage: You were working at some place where I had a little steak, and there was those two guys walking down.

Stiner Ringsage: There, you know, and I used to travel more on that. I'm traveling there sometimes. I had a partner and I found out that didn't work to be worrying about the other guys. You try something different and I'm good enough to take care of myself. I can go. So I didn't catch the train or anything and beat my way.

Stiner Ringsage: And and I got into this. So. Of the spring time.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: Summer, spring.

Jean Ringsage: Winding down there is a Yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, I got to my apartment with somebody and I don't know and I think he was still mad. He was drunk. That's what's the matter to him, right? No, I got burned in the morning. I used to getting up early and it was a Sunday morning and we this, these two guys that I met down there, we had worked at a place in Hoquiam.

Stiner Ringsage: It's like, you know, that. No, it was Paris. I know you know where that we inherited? I had a home. Well, we had been working from some of the spring. We started out there on this part. I had a whole Utah power and like, I think it was a company and we put in every pole and things on the and we got in a little place, I think it was pears.

Stiner Ringsage: Idaho and 4th of July came along too, and the boys in Boston were going to be off about three days. So they were all talking about how much money they had. You know, and I never would say a word. And I know that big guy and this young Englishman, he was small by my side. I called him little and they they roll around.

Stiner Ringsage: They're trying to get people directly in on this job that we were. I know there was 25 or 30 not from I didn't know the first thing about I should I wouldn't remember. And so that therefore of my protection, I figured that is my protection. Our morals revolve around because they can always take advantage, you know, So we, the way it happened then we come into.

Jean Ringsage: Or you were kind of paid off, you guys.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah, we got to that, right? We got to pay dollars. And of course I was going back to saw the springs, see, and were well, I met my father and that's the way I remember now. My father knew we were getting laid off of that. And he come up and he said, Let me see, we're going by Crookwell, Wyoming.

Stiner Ringsage: You know what that is? And of course, you want to pick up a couple of cases of whiskey. I never drank. So, you know, I didn't care about that. But that's all right. So we had a pack or so, but and we got to the Lions bedroom there. COPELAND Yeah, and and Wyoming and Idaho and a guy out, commander you know, it's it's the wild country.

Stiner Ringsage: Give him a little bit brush and stuff. He disregarded, you know, he knew exactly what to play and he had picked and frying pans and everything covered on there. And he said, where are you? You know this guy, you know? Well, one prospect he, like they say, he got by fine The guy disbanded that the things around there, you know and the everything was fine.

Stiner Ringsage: So he says, hey, you got a little good back there, you know. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: Or fanciful because the big too and.

Stiner Ringsage: That is where he went right on to that one. We got the rate of 65 miles. Don't thank you for that and unloaded everything and on the way in there we can and I used to carry a 32 automatic just for practice. You know I used to love to get out but I spent a lot of money just buying encounter to shoot and get good get.

Jean Ringsage: And Superman's excellent.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. So anyway, with that night with and wrapping up, you know, tarpaulin around the bed and I had in my mind and that's not that you didn't play that reckless for that fire live in the old place and I guess it fell out and I got about 35 miles and I missed it. And I said to Jordan, you know, I said, you it must fell out of there or we have the bear.

Stiner Ringsage: So I rode all the way back and looked around, couldn't see anything, and I didn't look too good because I've had I managed to go back again, you know, And so I didn't find it and I just left it there yet, I guess, you know, by the family. So anyway, I went and these fellas would want me to and everybody that they knew that I carried one right in my pocket.

Stiner Ringsage: But I never told anybody that they knew I had one. I guess I know this and they thought I would get Bradley. You know, they'd let somebody right or something drop out, you know, they think. Higginbotham said.

Sam Schrager: Well, how come you want a I?

Stiner Ringsage: I never.

Sam Schrager: Wonder.

Jean Ringsage: What their protection is. They don't know if you can wrestle and you really get in a bind. You the way it now. So I had it.

Stiner Ringsage: Well sure they don't.

Jean Ringsage: Know nothing about these other two. Are you met them on that boardwalk. Yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: Well anyway we.

Jean Ringsage: That is before you left was that you enjoyed you enjoyed the still well.

Stiner Ringsage: Out of that some of the same Good now this one young valley is only 2250 back I am a pretty good sized neck and one misstep aspect to this time coming down from further springs. I wonder if they got that walk there. Yes. Boardwalk you know one eight feet wide out. Other planes do by 6000 or two by or something and run from you at that time kind of in the middle of the town.

Stiner Ringsage: Well little shack down downtown and kind of over a hill and then it started going down like that must run for a mile and right up to the water and did have a nice Sunday morning. And I went with him and I went, It's not a rock yard. He's worthless. He was laying in bed. It was not good for nothing.

Stiner Ringsage: So I went down there and I sat down and enjoyed that. This street, nice creek, something like Molar Creek, and I'm thinking about Boulder picked those canyon behind it and the sun is coming up. You know who they'll find out? Well, I'd better get back out on it. 22 that 1912 at that in 19 five either. So I turned around and started that.

Stiner Ringsage: I used to walk fast, take pretty long steps, walk right along. I grew up on that for want to get jump like that. You hear these two guys come this the little fella by my side and that other big guy and he would not push and had come down and the downhill you know and they just take them beat to his death.

Stiner Ringsage: But I thought well and then they began to smile, you know, we knew each other because we'd worked up there for about a month.

Sam Schrager: And the pair. Hey, it varies.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. Around there from from all the way from spring, you know, to fireside or, or whatever it was. Montpelier It might have been Montpelier, see, But we went through both of those places. And so anyway they would come down smiling and, you know, I would walk in, I never checked, I would go gone just as fast, right up till we met, you know, And when they instead of reaching out one hand, they reached out, would do that.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, that's a different thing when they were if that went to that, they just doubled up going backwards. See and they were going back were faster than he was coming. And then I just ran and took him like this. And why that?

Jean Ringsage: Because they were.

Stiner Ringsage: Just a stack like that and finally missed to walk at about four feet down and on the ground. And he was dynamite. Then he thought, I'd get that gun, you know, And here was this little friend of mine. He was pulling out in a row while it was a string. The sun came and it had an awful time getting it out of his pocket, see?

Stiner Ringsage: And I just grabbed him and I threw on this side because I wanted to be together. And I thought, Well, you can make it better. Think that you might need it. It made a lot of hay instead of, Well, you know what? They figured they'd come out with more than that by the shoulder and his big sheet turning around and that feller has slipped over your neck and you can't say nothing.

Stiner Ringsage: She slipped. Not down there. And a good hard pull neutral. You take your money. That's what they want to do. Just right after we get our checks. Money. So it pays to not let people know that you're doing it You just member.

Jean Ringsage: Surprise surprised.

Stiner Ringsage: And then set them on their head when they had.

Sam Schrager: Did you heard those guys or.

Stiner Ringsage: Did you just I never left but I was looking for him to come up town. But you know, they've never come up. But if I had heard about that, that old friend of mine from Kentucky get and he would be mad and they would always want to shoot somebody and say, You shoot those guys, You got to have my permission to get involved.

Stiner Ringsage: That's just about right. Is dead. they they'd never come around so frequently. Now we stayed about it.

Jean Ringsage: We saw business paper a few weeks.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah, I saw. And a week or so after that I saw on paper or two guy Bruce Armstrong, they say, and I make stronger, say strong, whatever you fold it. And their money was taken away from me. Well, I'm sure that if these guys.

Sam Schrager: You think they were killed you.

Stiner Ringsage: Well they run their own wouldn't have been a very nice feeling if they because that's something they do that, you know, they at that time they used to do that to you and maybe forget what happened like.

Jean Ringsage: That.

Stiner Ringsage: Walk away, you know, And then.

Jean Ringsage: But you were.

Stiner Ringsage: George.

Jean Ringsage: When you were when you had that experience. This could be it was the deer you shot down. Who was that? Was that another part of that down in southern Idaho? Remember that? That the UN hiding your back to your home? Was that somebody.

Stiner Ringsage: That is in Southern? I know but that's a young fella and he's about 17 and we just decided we'd go out to something at that time. You know, you could hunt without license. We'd take a chance.

Sam Schrager: They passes before.

Jean Ringsage: You're hungry and want. Yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: And not only that, but get a good sized deer. So take it. Bring them down, feed the people. They're was all hungry anyway, so we went in with the pack and we got to about 3:00 or I did, but I think he was up to and is in the spring, you know, and that's just, hey it was nice but the deer out here about 300.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. So he came on that. Yeah she did really nice. Well they were different kind of deer than these cottontail. They're like take like they would come here, they, they're like me. And so I think it's mule, mule deer, black tail or something. There'd be really big one, two, £300. And so this was on the Rockies. We went up there, we knew they'd be geared up for up there, and you didn't have to go fly from Hollywood or about 30, 35.

Stiner Ringsage: MAN Stay all night the next day. So I guess I said, Well, why don't you try follow the trail? Well, I didn't think you could, but when I got in the Timberline, there was frost about them. They get the black agent in, and when you step on it, you go through it, make an awful noise, crashing noise. You couldn't get close to them and all that noise and they couldn't hear you If they were tramping around, you'd hear.

Stiner Ringsage: So anyway, we got split up one one direction. I went and they run into their tracks and I saw the heck they go in my direction. Williams I went out of watch a mile or two up there, you know, the snow covered like this. You ever see it like that in these round the top edge of the mountain, for there's no no tree line at the Timberline.

Stiner Ringsage: See? Well, I said, do you want to get up in there. They've got to come back down. Are you actually. So I walk a mile walk. Pretty soon I got pretty close and they were on this side and the snow had come down like that and they wanted to get over well when they run the handed it all.

Stiner Ringsage: But but 50 hours, maybe more than that. Why a person on it? You know, on their land, on the ground I just shot right then I Martha told me that one time you saw the best shot exchange is a stomach. And I thought, well, this is the time to shoot because that's a big target, you see. So I shot of this boat and it was a tree that had laid there.

Stiner Ringsage: She and how I knew that I hit him. Well, for one thing, he did like that on my side with his tail. That was his hip. She and I laughed and they run about 50. And then he went up and she went badly. If she they weren't going to stay together. Well, if he goes that he's going to get up in that little snow and they're 25 feet deep anyway, maybe more.

Stiner Ringsage: And they they get stuck that didn't they know better do that. So I thought, well now I live to weight well and told me to wait about 15 minutes. So I got my bike for about 15 minutes and then I started that with it all but that way and right at the top of the timber line there, why it is kind of a little flap of because room I guess maybe a big and I got up there and here this go now and dear where do you live.

Stiner Ringsage: I think I had that big down there where it happened the way he went right on down, you know, get the opportunity. We got the same room on the side like that and it stayed there and she so I went down on that side. And when I got on that side, I got here to hear Wolf stop. And this is something I don't read that or see.

Stiner Ringsage: And I wasn't going but just that and shoot. And the other one, I said I wouldn't shoot the wolf. I'm seeing something now. And, you know, the funny part of it was, you know, is stand on the time feet with his mouth open and jump and keep that mouth just about so and and turn in the air and land on the side of the train wouldn't be too far away and then jump again and get over here.

Stiner Ringsage: And it just about like that. Yeah. That fast. You go from one side to the other. How much? Well, even that even Biden, he did one in the stock and there.

Jean Ringsage: Jobs or any kind of jobs I wouldn't have got that job and went back thinking that they didn't realize I was married I decided Monday evening so I did put my name parentheses missus, but they didn't see that. So I said I didn't. I said I didn't. Says in fact, I was very good. You see my name and parentheses Mrs..

Jean Ringsage: I put it either on either I think I said I know what I did 15 days and then underneath and, and Mrs. Steiner inside and stays in the tall. They didn't know what it meant or didn't.

Sam Schrager: Didn't have one minute.

Jean Ringsage: I don't think they did because they didn't the time I was the single when or something and every readiness is done so but they will all during that person a married woman, she could hardly get a job of any kind, no matter how well qualified. Mrs. Grant. Stellar demand for nurses and single still is in that many of them.

Jean Ringsage: But men went back to teaching that and used it as a stepping stone to another job there. It wasn't long before it was more teachers.

Unknown Speaker: They knew what to because the men of them were going back, that it was used for maybe a.

Jean Ringsage: Few years while they were getting.

Unknown Speaker: Really into something else that they could get.

Jean Ringsage: I think there would be surpassed. I know something I read about and sounds fascinating archeology, but then I think point after thing that happened branch off of stupid little thing and I have to figure out where it goes where the great about it All right I, I read about you and I and I, I like cooking I didn't like, I didn't like the dust in that part of and I didn't like to cook and home.

Jean Ringsage: Nothing magical thing was poor stuff. No, you didn't have hardly anything to cook with. New So rest up too much. You have some clean on dirty for a couple of days. You're sure you do water. So why you want to make things to get on welfare and there's no kids to fight with other kids. They're just the two of them by themselves.

Jean Ringsage: Have you're you're not. I'm. I wasn't as busy there as I was when I came down of PA. That's that's one of those differences. Nothing looks something different. It was more work. The other women were involved with outdoor work and gardens and then this tremendous amount of can I now I have for vegetables. Well, you suddenly started from 100 course the maximum.

Unknown Speaker: Up there in Canada, the five and six and seven and eight round our suppose that we have important food with.

Jean Ringsage: Vegetables and what.

Sam Schrager: I normally did you end up working out so hard to get in the garden.

Jean Ringsage: You know when you went out for one summer there I had to learn to milk and I.

Unknown Speaker: Didn't do too much and I did some. I didn't really was, of course, the kids.

Jean Ringsage: I could get forced to do some.

Unknown Speaker: But we have cold and, you know.

Sam Schrager: We were talking before about when we had the experience with the minister.

Unknown Speaker: And you that, you know, you knew before that time. You it.

Sam Schrager: Really was.

Sam Schrager: You really felt that I was thinking, you know, that you were that you really were.

Jean Ringsage: And yes, I was. And another thing I had was a little resentment from anywhere. If you live from a not from perhaps a lot of the time, there wouldn't be. And then you'd suddenly be the one to do some. So I knew I didn't get that.

Unknown Speaker: I know you do. No nonsense. Well, that was then.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah, I found out.

Unknown Speaker: And it really doesn't. I thought if you do that.

Jean Ringsage: You're all by yourself. And yet you're not friends. But it just takes with all the. And you take the pressure off on your part, then I don't will be all of that. Did you have to be careful. That's, that's that that's what really happens when you take the pressure off for some time.

Unknown Speaker: Something is going on. You're wanting to do something else or you're.

Jean Ringsage: If you take the pressure off, you is almost done with that word. But your standards around something else, nothing said but this. This is all this unseen world around this. And they just they can.

Unknown Speaker: Or they may not be quite. If you do, I think you and that's one of the big secrets to everyone here is that you're on your own. Do some.

Jean Ringsage: Mary Queen.

Unknown Speaker: Do not you don't me.

Jean Ringsage: Well it seems like.

Unknown Speaker: Her life and I.

Jean Ringsage: It's not my sister died that.

Sam Schrager: God. Can you remember what you thought Steiner could be doing and he wasn't doing?

Jean Ringsage: yeah. So he. He don't know.

Sam Schrager: What would they have to do? I would find it.

Jean Ringsage: yeah. That, that that felt purifying. And you'll not knocking them under but not in nothing in the my domestic life or personal life, no.

Sam Schrager: Financial burden seem to be such an extremely hard worker.

Unknown Speaker: That was a lot of work. Did not raise money for what I hear there and look at.

Jean Ringsage: You work for a lot of work money is that you would never have. So you want to be more mercenary, Just grab a little mercenary creature I can't see working.

Unknown Speaker: For that where maybe you make something like.

Sam Schrager: What? In this situation, a very unique.

Unknown Speaker: Example of how you could, you know, then. Yeah, well, if I had, I had my values. Yeah, well.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah, so. And closing minded is very minimal, but with things like other people.

Unknown Speaker: Have, I don't see I feel more like now for.

Jean Ringsage: There's always.

Unknown Speaker: Been a demand for getting out there and that area has grown and stand nothing for the fertilize. We had a very good crop one time and a few times and that's one. And there are another small growth rate or or it I don't know.

Jean Ringsage: If it's maybe.

Unknown Speaker: A foil or I know it the seeds and nerve.

Jean Ringsage: This year use of a lot more and mustard seeds have been.

Unknown Speaker: There. I have seen people around here with me, you know, I think this time you kind this one thing I think you're really up.

Sam Schrager: On is something you said about dependency. It has a very.

Unknown Speaker: Negative effects that go with it.

Jean Ringsage: If you.

Sam Schrager: Leave someone.

Unknown Speaker: Is it really does the vertical?

Jean Ringsage: I think it can.

Unknown Speaker: Hurt between I mean I think yeah, there's anybody celebrating or marrying the man and sometimes.

Jean Ringsage: People feel a man liberated because he takes his own labor and stands up.

Unknown Speaker: For them. That is that is my home.

Jean Ringsage: He must feel the dependency one and some of them are just yeah there when we had four or five kids in our ways more than they can waste more. And one day we bring home to. I've seen a time and time again that is that's hard.

Unknown Speaker: That's tough. And I don't want to do what I can.

Jean Ringsage: Do about it. But that's just being and now the troughs around.

Unknown Speaker: Some poor guys and I think they've liberated and that and I know some people will never, never be involved.

Jean Ringsage: In trying to.

Unknown Speaker: Move a man block after their own.

Jean Ringsage: Great back. The guy just do God's work for you. Don't sit there for every time and make somebody offering.

Unknown Speaker: To their the perfect husband or wife. I think that's sad. You are parents and children. Then you want to really.

Jean Ringsage: Help the children.

Unknown Speaker: And just trying to get the time of they think they're trying to help. And I know that business is on the person that you're trying to make over. Yeah, you can do it.

Jean Ringsage: But he's going to have to have an inner spark and of something that that's true.

Unknown Speaker: Sometimes it doesn't come for years, but it will come. Person 25 years, different person for the same sometimes lives. How much do you think that that that experience you can change it made you it does it does change my whole life It just.

Jean Ringsage: I don't know.

Unknown Speaker: It's just something that I've never lost. It's increase. It's just made my whole life completely different.

Jean Ringsage: My and you know, people might not think that there's been with the government.

Unknown Speaker: For anything else but the genocide and I'm pretty I don't know.

Jean Ringsage: I'm able to get along better people.

Unknown Speaker: While working but there's something deeper on my experience that's that's different there's no there.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah.

Unknown Speaker: That's I think it's very hard but can but still it's something that there's something else was.

Jean Ringsage: Always there working inside it is working and do you think about it or you get yourself in.

Unknown Speaker: A frame of mind so that things and or worrying about being able to have more clearly.

Jean Ringsage: You know, the situation doesn't change. You change. People and change and continually.

Unknown Speaker: That can have a lot of reason.

Jean Ringsage: I that I didn't know what it would be left for us. Like you said you wouldn't sleep so much for you're just didn't get all the normal did you.

Unknown Speaker: Say to my son I got a call right. That and I.

Jean Ringsage: Said, well I guess last but my first night.

Unknown Speaker: Didn't have quite a while. This was the wise thing was my one that happened one night. I did have revenge. You, you, you know.

Jean Ringsage: Direct your thoughts.

Unknown Speaker: But there's one prime goal.

Jean Ringsage: When my father.

Unknown Speaker: Did not expect to get something life. You don't look for a solution.

Jean Ringsage: To start thinking that some people have the same result.

Unknown Speaker: Sometimes you start just.

Jean Ringsage: That's little simple things.

Unknown Speaker: Thank you for being informed just and of.

Jean Ringsage: Course it snowballs and you start and.

Unknown Speaker: Then become and then count. And then you're you're you're the communications.

Jean Ringsage: Going on between you have God. Or when you have a lot of time for.

Unknown Speaker: God or Father or something, you might have some other.

Jean Ringsage: Spirit. They have to let your tongue, your, your, you know, there's a response comes that is the harm.

Unknown Speaker: It's just like peace.

Jean Ringsage: All always blessed that I'm doing this, by the way. And you're absorbed in working and all these lovely things that have just been.

Unknown Speaker: You of being like, I mean, that's all the love and things happen when you're relaxed. Sleep. Nothing for that's part of I don't know then have fear of it's anything you haven't heard.

Jean Ringsage: Any place else for that it and it carries over into and but all right one day I knew that I knew that the night before can do it but you have to have this that and I'm sure there's just been that with the entire religion in a relationship with the relationship to someone outside this. And you get these responses, this intense spirit I can come here now I can do for him.

Jean Ringsage: Come on. And I even.

Unknown Speaker: Be to that area. But this is different because beyond that has and I don't see I couldn't get my side.

Jean Ringsage: I would necessarily have to.

Unknown Speaker: Be thanking them for quickest place. I know I put my thing.

Jean Ringsage: Even if you're walking through the woods or you think about, hello, did you.

Unknown Speaker: See Mr. Very different about.

Jean Ringsage: Your car. He was kind. And you have been here before. I'm so glad you're talking to Kristen. You know, you talking and you are here with you. You are. I mean, for you are. And why is it that have fear that something might criticize it? I know people think you're searching this, that the people you know, I mean, these other people like mine.

Unknown Speaker: Will eventually come and come. And some occur in a different state development sometimes from other people. They have problems down the line for the letting go. I you're going to do your part, but somebody else.

Jean Ringsage: Is not doing it.

Unknown Speaker: So you know, all around there is now it's all where this is with reservoir and this is the the the personal relationship is completely separate. It seems to be for the institution. But then, you know, they're not found. It isn't a.

Jean Ringsage: Do not that's why it whatever yeah listen to the nomination it has to be free and within a denomination if it can even within a free and free group.

Unknown Speaker: That are bound to be getting free of his own tendency to want to settle down.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah.

Unknown Speaker: And you have why you have that now? My wife is having problems time later as you or somebody else gets that.

Jean Ringsage: Somebody is always the establishment.

Unknown Speaker: There are so it'll be it.

Jean Ringsage: He'll remember.

Unknown Speaker: This. Okay. But the spirit there's never to like. You can be part of the truth because really I think as a group.

Sam Schrager: Because because it seems to me that every every church that I have ever heard of its name is is so much so central to his identity. It seems to me a very interesting part you get to.

Jean Ringsage: Have a picture of it doesn't quite fit into the father is then.

Unknown Speaker: Once you find.

Sam Schrager: It sounds like.

Jean Ringsage: There's no there's nothing.

Sam Schrager: More but there have been I refer each other.

Jean Ringsage: There's quite a bit of letter, right. And then we have people that dedicate themselves to we have to put it that way there. Now we've never had I don't I'm rather but I hear it's great controversy in.

Unknown Speaker: This Catholic Church that.

Stiner Ringsage: We won't happen.

Jean Ringsage: Again. If you have an announcement this morning, I.

Unknown Speaker: The an announcement I am the.

Jean Ringsage: Record of that happened in the bible a farewell ceremony when speaking and preaching and giving testimonies we have and that was one.

Unknown Speaker: And the same thing where we were sometimes wrong from there and you know, we want to be number one. There's no seminary. So they we have no.

Jean Ringsage: Absolutely no literature apart from the Bible, so we can figure out where and we have, if you want if the outsiders wanted.

Unknown Speaker: To have my name, then the 55% Sure. I made this phone number here on my phone. Your phone from Sacramento to there.

Jean Ringsage: And but the.

Unknown Speaker: But the meetings, once you.

Jean Ringsage: Decide how the meetings are held in the.

Unknown Speaker: Home. Well, and the children are their children and assembling phones for the get them calls from the grandmother, their father, children.

Jean Ringsage: Whatever all these small families.

Unknown Speaker: And and then we went.

Jean Ringsage: To the top of the garden with the King James. I remember me when I when I go.

Unknown Speaker: Back, there was 12 going on and they didn't know everybody, you know, their structure.

Jean Ringsage: Much, much.

Unknown Speaker: Better than your sons. I don't remember the last time they started looking at some schools.

Jean Ringsage: And churches.

Unknown Speaker: And the truth that word for part and I remember I was with about seven.

Jean Ringsage: Kids now.

Unknown Speaker: Terrible. you know, the people that are against.

Jean Ringsage: Like all these other.

Unknown Speaker: So that the sinners that's that is.

Jean Ringsage: In a certain place here.

Unknown Speaker: I went home. I said, yeah and there were not.

Jean Ringsage: But my, my sister and one.

Unknown Speaker: Now I was.

Jean Ringsage: My father.

Unknown Speaker: You know you get left on Staten Island, which is fine. I find I went to my sister.

Jean Ringsage: yes. Since your son. So about one things about liberty.

Unknown Speaker: And the law and how the law, you know. And then it.

Jean Ringsage: Says at the end of that and how that these people I can't.

Unknown Speaker: Keep in touch down and not and all of them just parents encouraged to be using I have to do and if you missed the boat I did.

Jean Ringsage: But these other preachers that were preaching that were missing the boat and don't you do it, that's called second biggest converts. Are you be doing.

Unknown Speaker: That well and you can learn the Bible.

Jean Ringsage: Especially you? Yes. There were four others that are doing the same thing, you know, not necessarily together or not necessarily about the same thing, you know, up to say, well, they didn't tell you that about that. But if nobody tells you anything and they leave you alone and just average.

Unknown Speaker: Intelligence time drama and.

Jean Ringsage: Thoroughly modern human problem solve.

Unknown Speaker: Problems and great care and wisdom, which is I mean, I knew.

Jean Ringsage: This is.

Unknown Speaker: When I finally take your place, when they bring me or.

Jean Ringsage: What is here I don't understand what but then what in the name of the that your root and you get sufficient for your.

Unknown Speaker: Day and and that have to understand and don't understand what kind of.

Jean Ringsage: You don't you don't have to explain it but Serbia to your take on this one this is this.

Unknown Speaker: Book and that is the.

Jean Ringsage: Dogma. That's where you always have the answer. There's some they're always insecure. They've always had run this. To find that they're trying to change is that they they feel mastered.

Sam Schrager: They're victims of all sorts of say that the way that you grew shares the Bible is that each person has his own understanding of the meeting.

Jean Ringsage: And it's it's just it's just simply dovetail conferences. We have two different camps and we have three different types of meetings. Well, the ministry there's a picture there's a picture of the gospel where there's two pictures. Now, we don't always have to confirm this because we may not see him for six months or a year, but it's here because of the large crowds around both here and in Moscow is two preachers.

Jean Ringsage: But they preach the gospel and they explain why you should. We want to get into why. Don't explain why you should follow this way instead of the conventional way. Yeah, just let's call it. I did something there to try to make you fit into in and with them down to the United States, this something. So this spirit. Well, there's that Then there's something more.

Unknown Speaker: Which the I point.

Jean Ringsage: Your buying just as you move to resign. I have always before I remember.

Unknown Speaker: Before I met this group back then in the one and I'm just reading from your joy because if you read it.

Jean Ringsage: I don't say it happens every morning, but I read it and more times than not, you'll find something again. It's like, I wish I could say that. It's just like a nucleus. There's just something comes like a snowflake in your consciousness. Just the thought one word, and then it just expands. You may go to my job. I use an idea.

Jean Ringsage: Okay. All right. I can talk and have to see how it's there. Then you're thinking about that for that group of words or a phrase, or it might be a whole topic.

Unknown Speaker: And then that becomes the task of things.

Jean Ringsage: It's the Feast of the LAMB. It's it's patterned after the sharing of the lamb and the Old Testament, where there was one lamb to a household in the household small of your brother and your neighbors. Well, last 15 to very busy out there sometimes it's not that do that give you time to speak to some of the children when they get to a certain age.

Jean Ringsage: You know that they're able.

Unknown Speaker: To celebrate it to pray. And then you pray then.

Jean Ringsage: Okay, take to share the wine.

Unknown Speaker: And the bread. And when you go home that Sunday morning and then.

Jean Ringsage: Sometimes they have you, now they Well, it's true for you going on this morning, once a month they have this church which was small meetings in the home were called the kids who wanted to test read about the.

Sam Schrager: Church.

Unknown Speaker: In their home and qualified to that churches in their home here.

Jean Ringsage: Although you preach to outsiders anywhere where you can get it from, where you can.

Unknown Speaker: Get a place, preach, that's the real meaning during the whole months.

Jean Ringsage: You know.

Sam Schrager: There's a.

Jean Ringsage: Gospel.

Unknown Speaker: Meetings going on. If you go to why.

Jean Ringsage: You have to study. And this year we've had.

Unknown Speaker: Contrasting I know a characters in the office and one in the New Testament.

Jean Ringsage: And then I had a failed performance. One of Dayton's counselors, and did come from he went over to excellence. He was betrayed David he over the son Absalom and gave them counsel and he hanged himself. And we contrasted him with the Jews in test the other person.

Unknown Speaker: So so I mean you can.

Jean Ringsage: Whatever it speaks to you. And that's what they're saying now. No, he's telling you know, he's saying, you know, this explained, what does this mean? I would be surprised if you write it all on the same chapter.

Unknown Speaker: That brought if you go this, sometimes you get hung.

Jean Ringsage: Up something and then often you go see my lady friends. And again, we're talking about if you can have that verse. So that's also I mean, we have a list of things that business owners are going on, and I'm sure I don't know if some of those things are just experience gambling things that and so they're going to grow.

Jean Ringsage: They're going to notice that you're doing it. You know.

Sam Schrager: It's sort of extraordinary. There's not supposed to be the right way. That's actually reminds me of the old, the old, the old, the Jewish scholars, the Talmudic scholars, you know, would discuss the because there was no believe that there was a single interpretation that was the.

Unknown Speaker: Correct way to look at the passage. Instead, it was a matter well.

Sam Schrager: In the case of those scholars of endless discussion.

Jean Ringsage: Where you could get how up. I mean, and if you're and have to be very careful on the original and get down to a in this that is wrong it's generally expressed by the left. But I think that's what I feel. This is what the common phrase well it's spoken it's foreign to me as Martha was led to do.

Jean Ringsage: So so are John the Flint do so-and-so or that particular chapter. I was moved by the love and compassion Barnabas shown to his nephew or his cousin Mark John, after he had been sent back by Paul. How was historic? Maybe as a person. But it's the doctrine. About the only thing they're firm on is we're firm. Must be know this because that's an example for their church.

Jean Ringsage: It's a free you know it's not.

Sam Schrager: We're.

Jean Ringsage: Sure our church home is open. So not everybody's home. I mean that's view. You pick a home when is fairly large and stable and but this, you know, stands in your community.

Sam Schrager: So what reaches the preachers define what it is they are preaching is just is to have a personal understanding of the Bible. Is that is that correct.

Jean Ringsage: What they want to.

Sam Schrager: Hear what is the actual.

Jean Ringsage: Role, their actual role is showing what Jesus Christ, what his life. But it is not a party altogether as much as his life. What did his life? You know, in the world you have two things his birth. That's a big splash. Christmas, Santa Claus and Santa Claus died. But you have the world. And then this is dramatic. All the beauty of Easter eggs, new clothes.

Jean Ringsage: You can see little kids in the different things. His teachings, his own home. Then babies are born. That's the important. Yes. Nice that he was born deaf. That why? This is why he this and yeah, now what they're preaching what I'm now wanting to talk to the most simple things. If you come over here to Africa, you can go to Korea, whatever they want to.

Jean Ringsage: Sorry to. Those are what made you think this was the example that the circle of love people for warmth first thing. Now I got a friend. They're looking for something telling.

Jean Ringsage: Are you to tell a psychiatrist? I still haven't figured out that. But now they disappeared.

Unknown Speaker: He said the same is the same meaning that Jesus name. So yeah.

Jean Ringsage: Like.

Unknown Speaker: Like things can and.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah, Matthew. But after you say, Hey, I'm going back to Jimmy Carter, and so you must be born again, How Well, he said how he said when was the wind where it was where Lisbon. Where was once. You can feel your head as well. That's the spirit here General. You that some people I think they use that word.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah. And I find I said using.

Unknown Speaker: This word, I've only let's just relax and let's go again below the spirit from what people this being.

Jean Ringsage: Well, you take the past step and say, all right, this is in.

Unknown Speaker: The spirit square and.

Jean Ringsage: Then to have the things, you know, that's the.

Unknown Speaker: Thing to acknowledge that it's better to.

Jean Ringsage: Part with death. So something if you're if you're doing your desires and follow your plan, there's something really like, all right, you have to have help. It's like a healing. Like his father spoke of feeling. You can't have animosity. You have good times.

Jean Ringsage: But why? Wow.

Unknown Speaker: And he was there. It just acts like a bear. All right, then.

Jean Ringsage: Over and you realize that it's not. And why do.

Unknown Speaker: I want to let go of that? I want to get I want to the world because sometimes it comes just instantaneously. Other times, the single If You Can Hold and a love that person. I'm not able to do it.

Jean Ringsage: Myself, but there's power.

Unknown Speaker: Out there. That's good. Yeah, I can do that.

Jean Ringsage: Two ways to help you. That rebellion. Now to that, that is the then that is that tremendous feeling when there's been a accomplished then you know that's that's the whole thing now. Yeah that's step now there may be other things like this step, the response that came to thankfulness their.

Sam Schrager: Heart or there may be times.

Jean Ringsage: Impossible. This like an impossible situation.

Unknown Speaker: I take a stand and then go through with this horrible situation and pray for strength.

Jean Ringsage: It takes the strength to overcome something taken away. And if it comes, of course it's prescribed because through strength therapy and helpfulness comes at your being able to forward. And that's an old fashioned word, overcome, but it means you've gone through that process, this constant place. The thing is still there and you're you're changed completely where you couldn't that fact, you couldn't take it another hour, another half hour, another 15 there.

Jean Ringsage: Where is extreme talk from?

Unknown Speaker: I can do that. I can take sometimes it will go away. I think there's.

Jean Ringsage: Times in my life and still and you can work around and see how you can work.

Unknown Speaker: You can work around, and sometimes you'll go.

Sam Schrager: What does this mean to you that the.

Sam Schrager: Group that this group and your own personal experiences that you have with that burden? Not to say.

Sam Schrager: I mean not I know they're not the same.

Jean Ringsage: You know, the same.

Sam Schrager: Kinds.

Jean Ringsage: Of I think the essence of the essence of it is the same, especially the star. But the honor just simply went and just simply congealed and rolls into an establishment. And it's whatever can lost it. This lost. And there's always that danger. There's people's lives. I can see that even billions have come to. They're just so happy that this doing a little bit a little.

Sam Schrager: Bit, you know.

Jean Ringsage: They're just born to follow. They love the security of you. They can make a ritual out of anything unfolding all around them. But don't let it happen. Find it, find it quiet.

Sam Schrager: So you don't see any.

Sam Schrager: Conflict at all between your own personal in life and or whatever you should call it. And and the and the faith and the group that you that you with.

Jean Ringsage: Well, I, I really I should say I am right there. I'm impressed with yes, I have dropped out there. But there's this these things that you carry over.

Sam Schrager: Where there is significant difference with me I don't mean No the other congealed but when you were exposed to it.

Jean Ringsage: Well, possibly to me they were so moving because I didn't know anything about them. And but they were they were certainly steps leading. You are there was there were some days they were I'd say there a foundation, but they were certain steps in the right direction. I wasn't being a little I mean, let's be honest, I am a little more flexible then than some.

Jean Ringsage: I think the main reason why we get along this because I talk to you, because I've tried to explain my feelings and emotions, but a lot of the people, I don't think they would speak as freely and flexibly if I were. A lot of them had come out of a I've had bad experiences. The other and they dropped in like half of the pages and this seems to give them happiness.

Jean Ringsage: And now that they they've grown, they've grown in others. You have to be, you have to partake. You can't be a spectator. That's the best not to be a spectator and a supporter that doesn't get in.

Sam Schrager: You have to deal with that because this group as it is.

Sam Schrager: Does it have an informal name that the way that people.

Sam Schrager: Know want to go to.

Jean Ringsage: Know? And so that has no relation to.

Sam Schrager: The faith.

Jean Ringsage: And to I don't know that much about it. Some people call the the mindset of personal. He's been in the truth for four years or they might they call it the truth the way. So they might say, well, he's been in this way or for 25 years. I break this down like this. Ten years ago.

Unknown Speaker: And I think all the years.

Sam Schrager: When did you first it was in or how did that happen? In part, it seems like was.

Jean Ringsage: There was a sister one of the women that lived in who she had actually she had.

Unknown Speaker: A most interesting her.

Jean Ringsage: Into this she was a little girl 13 and young for her age, but she wasn't into her. She was in her with her mother and.

Unknown Speaker: Her children and the first thing they were.

Jean Ringsage: Explained was just explain to their mother one. Now, I mean, she was polite. He was nice. You know, that It just broke him the side that they didn't like. And I bet they are. And this little girl, listen, she said that we we don't we don't have to do that. Those girls, she never had a chance with another person like that.

Jean Ringsage: And she was about 20. She went to the school so she met somebody news at the time. So I was it's it's a funny I can going sometimes believe me it has become she's like she's no she you kind of picked them up. I just forget how she met this woman and finally got to go. But she knew what she wanted.

Sam Schrager: And she.

Jean Ringsage: She refused. She she was a schoolteacher. She never married. She's young girls in the family. And she knew her sister and part was minded. And she was she was very anxious to have her there. So they were looking for a girl where there's people that might be interested. And so she broke assistance to workers to bring in workers.

Jean Ringsage: And she says, I hope you can get out compared to some other honorable man. You don't have need to have any fear that there's some queer people just this place and perfect sister. And so that relationship between she went and she told me she didn't come to the meeting.

Sam Schrager: The church.

Jean Ringsage: Was there. That struck me that there the man who was preaching wasn't spectacular, but the spirit, I was able to pick it out.

Unknown Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jean Ringsage: And Pretty Father. And then the whole city was no larger. They weren't any more. What, what happened. You had, it seems near inherent in your minds in a state of readiness or waiting here like soil. So that's what me possibly these other experiences have tried to around was waiting for the sea.

Unknown Speaker: Okay, but it came after the.

Jean Ringsage: Best experience of a great man. All your other religious experiences have been good. And just like some of them, I think with some that dream, it.

Sam Schrager: Just gets dark so early.

Jean Ringsage: You know, there's I never said certain things, you know, here's the people involved.

Sam Schrager: You did. You did.

Sam Schrager: You saw that and you knew before.

Jean Ringsage: I didn't I didn't have time. I'd like to, but then I knew.

Sam Schrager: And what's really nice about this, I'm really glad.

Jean Ringsage: I'm glad I home I son. You know, it's between values and common sense, between whether I feel like they're coming and how young you there. There's so many especially this all of them these parents what hear all must be 20 or 30 students here and their parents are there so you don't you're usually limited to just perhaps saying I'm thankful for God's care or something like that or just just a great time.

Jean Ringsage: Times. But if you ever before the time, we don't know how long they'll be going on. This may be broken hearted. This is one Sunday afternoon, three 32.3 inches. Two variables.

Unknown Speaker: Quite important topic and that you know.

Jean Ringsage: I don't get over here, but I've been there once or twice just because it's too late going home and is she's been a here know they they decide to stay here for let's say they have no training excepting from an older one and same of the man and if they're able to regroup, it's a tough life. It's not easy in their homes that isn't always been home.

Jean Ringsage: Usually some of the more from the more affluent had loans in the car. They have nothing. They just cycles like nothing, take nothing. And then sometimes some place anywhere. But I don't think they'll ever tell us the things about black place.

Unknown Speaker: Like the gas.

Jean Ringsage: It's just the.

Sam Schrager: Friends they get out. So.

Jean Ringsage: So not. And if some of them if they married they got that. I mean there's nothing saying they can't marry but if they do the they just do can have a home like have a place with them. Why don't you see. It's no great strangers stress. But do you have to you're not a spectator anymore participating.

Sam Schrager: In those people who preach do it for a very long period.

Jean Ringsage: Of time. Have them for a month, for a lifetime. Some have some of the young, some of them and one of their several singles that.

Unknown Speaker: First came to this country. And they started in their early twenties then.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah, now, man, he's so frail that they have to come. And that man started.

Unknown Speaker: Talking, moved. Yeah, we're moving forward, you know.

Jean Ringsage: That's just the that's something you can 12 years has gone for some people have handicaps and they've got all through this that struggle alone.

Sam Schrager: That you've been able to recognize people without knowing it all of.

Jean Ringsage: Us I have I have I have I don't know what there is just. Yes. Yes.

Sam Schrager: You cannot I sort of I think I really do.

Jean Ringsage: Thank you, my dear, if I can keep that way. But.

Sam Schrager: I should think you're over the hump.

Jean Ringsage: You never to be sure of anything. The horrible thought that would came. Nobody asked. Nobody expected it, your friend. So I don't really solve it.

Unknown Speaker: Maybe you just move. Maybe he was going to retire.

Jean Ringsage: My friend next Thursday. I knew whenever I came in the other day. I guess I'm the man of my age and together I think it's because we have trust in one another. We know the value of honesty, you know, the stability of that, that I know our children and her grandchildren. I know the stability of that family the way things are.

Jean Ringsage: I people like that mean a lot to a person like that. What they say, health or build you off or tear it down or go on.

Unknown Speaker: Yeah yeah. I mean the other ones, the women. She's been a very good friend of mine all these years.

Jean Ringsage: She's not able to work now. She's very sick. Various complications I guess. Whatever. But you know for I guess for 15 years corresponded, we've worked for the AM a half or a third be I was reading partner so-and-so spoke to me this for the feeling I got this I have friend who is contemplating or thinking about Mary's life or whatever that would be part of her good part.

Unknown Speaker: I met with a lot of letters and phone.

Jean Ringsage: Is part of that three form card and then people call it. It's not easily broken.

Unknown Speaker: And in the spirit. And can you find out from my mother.

Jean Ringsage: That something else, if you have something substantial that you would think of as either collectively or as one person.

Sam Schrager: You know, get more.

Jean Ringsage: She's she just kind of gives that my cue for about 190 years. And then mind I know we're now we're the brilliance from mother and yeah so but we're still running on the table the bible from out course but what do you think about sons? I got in there. I'm just stuck. I can't get I just can't get it.

Jean Ringsage: What do you think about that? Well, we both. Could it be they're offering? Think her sweet Bible, Henry. Translation Her husband is asleep and she's learned to read Sweet. Yeah. And, well, I think that little play now for them. that's great. That third grade and stuff like.

Unknown Speaker: How we ran up and and pay.

Jean Ringsage: Particularly.

Sam Schrager: Well.

Jean Ringsage: No, no. People are just laughing and still doing things as a group. And it's just it doesn't feel close. I feel I don't know whether I should be that way or not, but I just can't work through groups and I just I think it's good for young people to go through that. I've never experienced my kids weather marches and all this sort of thing, and my sister.

Unknown Speaker: Went through it. But I'm just.

Jean Ringsage: I feel sad about that. Just wish it could happen because life is one of these things here. I don't discourage. People work all they care for, but don't get don't get on that. It's going to there. It's like it's like human relationships. It's so it's not just they thought if if I'm going to find something or some situation, it's going to be shown or unwanted, you know, to where I don't I mean I really can't certain that there's nothing can do or help.

Jean Ringsage: And then when I'm there, just keep my eyes open, see everything I can do.

Sam Schrager: One thing I do think it's something that you, you know, we've had we went through it and it's what we see experience. You know, years, I think, change as well. And we would like to be able to do work.

Jean Ringsage: I think if we can and would that would be helpful.

Sam Schrager: Would be helpful and.

Jean Ringsage: It would do, I think it would improve things. I think yeah, I think it's nice to try and find work that's helpful. I like my work there. I just working with women so I could make them have to do the very best I could. And I don't agree with you. You're in peril experience and it was thrilling. It's living history.

Jean Ringsage: It's this really you get all the books in the world and never and it's and listing is the first time. Maybe those people that were found for them would listen to their story and God I think it's.

Stiner Ringsage: Your mother.

Sam Schrager: Your mother was one of the first to come back. Some people.

Jean Ringsage: Yes. Do it now. She didn't not support I mean it wasn't gossip. It was history. So I guess that's why came here. You are with people, how it was gathered. Mother. There was probably people like that make contacts with people. You don't have a mind. But the first, you know, you've gone something and they're past. It's just that.

Unknown Speaker: It's just moving.

Sam Schrager: You know.

Jean Ringsage: Down here. People didn't talk about, I tell you, they were third generation. by the time these other people were right from some place else, even if it's from places like New York or something, they had done something different out of their experience. But here they've grown up. They lived them for years. They're there for generations, guess for people.

Jean Ringsage: But I'm not sure.

Sam Schrager: Well, I think that partly it's because it's because, you know something.

Jean Ringsage: The little land. But I can see there's about five rooms on each side.

Sam Schrager: What used to.

Jean Ringsage: My dad, we had the whooping cough getting over it and mother was over here. That was on his way to go around the island to see some right away. Yeah. So she was down here as well before I was born. And there's Grandma Mines is still called coal mine. Crow's Nest is right on the border. There is where.

Jean Ringsage: Well they did, they had a train that took them. The train came and went up here somewhere. I don't know where it came out but they came out I suppose the camels. And then they had to come up. You see a place called Esh Cross into the market. But somewhere around here, there we are. Ashcroft There it is left.

Jean Ringsage: But yeah, they carried on for legato here to. ASHCROFT Then they started in wagons, and this was 100 mile house and hundred and 50 mile.

Stiner Ringsage: How tall today that town right there.

Jean Ringsage: ASHCROFT they got out from. And they I don't know whether they there was no no railroad in here. I don't know whether they took a shortcut, maybe didn't go through there. And my clear over your.

Stiner Ringsage: Words, bag your bill.

Jean Ringsage: Here. This is now burned up, not Alberta. there you are. That's where they had to go by.

Sam Schrager: To catch it.

Jean Ringsage: Were. Yeah. I don't whether they went through.

Sam Schrager: Near that or.

Jean Ringsage: That. Yeah. There that there was no railroad thing. I think they got some supplies there was that you see the river. This was a river this the beginning of the Fraser River in here. Well that gives you a little idea of where they were now I'll tell you this story taken. I always want to know.

Sam Schrager: More about her.

Jean Ringsage: That she can hardly remember them. That remembers remember in a hospital. And I knew more about them by with about his past. I remember him coming home with the most interesting, thrilling tales. You forgotten all He'd come home with about nine or ten months of excitement and slipping and I. But still, I never knew much about these people in Kay.

Jean Ringsage: I always want to. My word is pass if you even do because need to find somebody. I think you just will do that. This talked about so many people who do we did I did that easy way over a hundred feet. Well about eight or ten years ago we went up on a trip. We went on a group, the Lancashire Group, because my dad was born on the way to the United States in Liverpool.

Jean Ringsage: He got to Lancashire, Liverpool, You can belong to the Lancashire Group and town. I mean he could go on to just because you get grand tour of places. So we had a big brand new bus of people right here, out here and, and often big names. I think there's some place for some things up here, but we came down through all these places back home again, went all the way up there.

Jean Ringsage: One of our stops was in this place called Canal, and I've heard my dad come about the house and. Then you grew up on a bus on one of the worst roads I've ever got on a bus when I'm a different type of driven, the smaller one. I didn't listen to a place called Marker Bill. Mark or Bill used to be a gold mining town, and it was real exciting and real grown.

Jean Ringsage: And I was then all girls, my little boy, I'm going to write and laughs and all this a whole bit. And now they read. They've got read down the place like a dance to do and Buildings Bill provides you financial place to have prices. I don't know some things you don't care too much about the stagecoach the whole afternoon.

Jean Ringsage: And. And this is where you became a piano player and there's a little place and then you've got to have. Well, okay. And I went to the church. It's a little tiny church very, very a of capacity. And I'm here on the wall. There was different plans. So I suppose in four or five on the side in memory of somebody or in memory of John so and so it established this church as well.

Jean Ringsage: Then we came to one in memory of my loving husband Roy come from such and such a year. this is that's Uncle Fred's brother. We knew about it. We hadn't paid much attention. I just wondered if his brother Norman's around here now. Mother had been dead possibly ten years, and mother, while she lived, had written to Norm and the other brother's wife all those years and had sent in Sandy reading material magazines and nice interesting magazines and clothes for the for the kids to make over because it's hard times too there.

Jean Ringsage: And they had one girl she'd never met. But still now that's the kind of thing I mean, you know somebody it isn't charity. It's because, you know, that mother was interested in him. And so we're always looking for her. Only did I did. When I look up Norman, we now know no one is dead. Maybe I think Norman might know something about our dad and not we just saw.

Jean Ringsage: So we went to the post office and asked if lived around there. But the name of the night and Thomas, you know, every morning. All right. We went over to look at more things and in front of one of the buildings near the museum display a nice statue of a pioneer, not a pioneer, but an old miner. These guys, Maupin and his mine is panning out to gold.

Jean Ringsage: So let's have a snapshot there. One finds that he looks nice, but I guess it doesn't look too artificial often, you know, like some of them can see. And then we were fussing out a little bit for him. Now I get over there, he dresses in quite right. We want a little color in the picture. Now, this was going on you and there's quite a few people around coming and going your across to a nice slender man wouldn't seventies watching this and after good and now here too he evidently came over and he said thing you're getting your picture right alongside that old man but you like to hold a piece of real gold in

Jean Ringsage: your hand place is all right if you want to trust. Quite thrilling. Really, really big goes up and he had to tell me and I'll listen to that first year in town first. And then I had pictures taken and he's we said, this is some of you mind around here and that bar around here and bound. And he said, yes.

Jean Ringsage: He said, I come every year and do a little pan. And this is I have four years so we can have a while and we asked him to do every know a Norman Thompson or why yes see me that them the overseas together he and Norman and this is Norman's coming criminal and civil rights so conservative street was real close to the hotel where you are going to be planning to go and see in Beaumont and see him we'll find Norman And this man was so nice.

Jean Ringsage: And I don't love I know he just is a real nice person and so we when we made contact with Perot and he was thrilled to meet down the Diamonds daughters of Depression and I guess the most recently 20 some years Mother and Pearl. And we went over there and met Norman and they were handsome boys. And of course, he's in his late seventies now.

Jean Ringsage: And we talked a while and they had to tell us, Norman, how to tell us how he met his wife. He's, you know, as I say, the scarcity of women in those days and you had to wait for a wife. You just didn't rush out and pick them up anywhere. He's this his nearest neighbor, eight or ten miles away, had them three, three little girls.

Jean Ringsage: And this oldest one was about nine or ten or so. You want I was going to wait for him. He waited for about ten years, I think. Well, are you ready to talk with. He was about 17 or 18. Well, that's where you how you got your way. You just didn't go out of town. And they they were happy.

Jean Ringsage: They smoked here 20 miles on their honeymoon. Other cabins were married in town. And the babies, when they came running kids for Killing, they came under all kinds of various circumstances. But if you got involved in town or in Baskerville, I think, and went to school there, well, then I had. Did you ever meet our father he said, you know, I've heard so much about him, but I never met him.

Jean Ringsage: So he says, I tell you, my younger brother, he was only 15 when he first came with me, work for him for one summer and we said, Can you tell us about it? Yes, he said. And before the railroad came in, they knew that it was going to be all this timber open for sale. And some of the big company sent Mannion and he and another fellow, when him go, Where were you?

Jean Ringsage: I swear to God that he in all this area and here's part of this provincial park and part of a small area here. Well he said no, He said I was hired to help them with the horses. Now, listen, this is where Daddy says where you start out from. Daddy started out with a string of horses and his other other friend.

Jean Ringsage: I remember kids talk about it and they trained up here. They had it was clear out here. They out of the horses of 400 miles. No, I think it's quite that far. Your one mile, maybe 300 miles. Then they had to come in to the Baskerville that you never know. So I hope they on the line. So you running through here and we are here.

Jean Ringsage: Roy was to take the horse back here to Barker Vale and bring them back in the middle about the first week in October. That was the arrangement. Fine. And they knew the kids would do it and they could work or do what you want to do in the meantime. But he had to take care of the horses. There were five or six for horse and the meantime, just to end up there, you can recruit.

Jean Ringsage: All right. The first week in October, they just surprised young Roy by coming here to bark for Dale until you didn't have to go in because it's quite a hike for a complete wilderness. You know, for young kids to bring the horses. Then there's just nobody lives there filled up and this is still the wilderness. And so I said, How did you get there?

Jean Ringsage: How did they come? Do they walk? They said, no. He said, every man in that part of the area, when they went in around the river they always had a quarters where the copper, you know, and they would if they needed the boat, they had to have one. They cut down a cotton with three, which is easy chopping and used to chop the long boat their little paddles and you see it put the copper nails and all from the outside.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah. And when you hear it, when you're hollowing it out, you know you've gone deep enough. They're rolling this so far and that ingenious and look at the this, those gullies when they went here they found this Fraser Glen here and. I don't know where of it is, Fraser, but here it is. And I went down here back to now.

Jean Ringsage: I figured it out above 30 inches to a mile. Massive Enough to have happened, I don't know. But the water was there. Fraser were very.

Sam Schrager: Rough. River. Well, rough river.

Jean Ringsage: That's the way they went anyhow. I was a swimmer. So thrilled. Have somebody tell us something about her dad because mother was so busy living them. Know that over the past we've been loving this thing. But I thought that was just so interesting. Everything that like that. Minor and me. Yeah. And just the way it all came about.

Jean Ringsage: We still think we were waiting to go with her. Her husband.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah.

Sam Schrager: I love.

Sam Schrager: you gave me.

Jean Ringsage: Well, but I think some of his wife was funny.

Stiner Ringsage: I think I was a kid just playing at sea, and I had a housekeeper.

Jean Ringsage: As a night.

Stiner Ringsage: And I was.

Jean Ringsage: Trying to find out who.

Stiner Ringsage: I was that I was surprised to see these playing and I smiled and let them play that and told her.

Sam Schrager: That.

Stiner Ringsage: I told her about. And the guy in the back of that after she found I never thought of it, but I don't think I ever did. But she was a good woman and she was good.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah, we did have the honesty.

Stiner Ringsage: Is Well, yes.

Jean Ringsage: Mother has gone hard out there after Daddy died and she needed money, and she. We had left about eight or ten pieces of gold and we sold them all in one piece and she did and I think she finally sold the other two. But I still have one.

Stiner Ringsage: Person, you know, and his way to me as he something now and I'm new here and I though.

Jean Ringsage: yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.

Stiner Ringsage: Your mother.

Jean Ringsage: Far.

Stiner Ringsage: Too that I'd like to have some of the same I that I would be interested.

Jean Ringsage: Well we've still got all those mining planes if you think there's any good you go there and resurrect them.

Stiner Ringsage: Well I thought from my left for fortune or the party to come round here I said I had $2,000 handy. And as.

Jean Ringsage: I've talked over here.

Stiner Ringsage: About that in shares.

Jean Ringsage: How did you get.

Stiner Ringsage: The hell out of ours in like this and the lottery when you.

Jean Ringsage: Know, they started the, the provinces all came together there and that's the beginning of the Dominion of Canada. They Everyone was independent, you know, just like United States. And then they all got together on Edward and they followed it out and they decided they'd make they'd become a country living a Canada. And that was no easy thing because you had a defeated French and you had these very bullheaded Scotsmen and a few English tossed in besides, and try to get a country out of that one easy boy.

Jean Ringsage: So they did. Well, I'll serve with my son. My, my. I guess it was my grandmother's side of the family. The Ramseys, in about 1732. this old John Ramsey, Emily, with his wife and six sons and two nephews, and the McArthur's, another family chartered, a boat. I am a grizzled one we're proud of now. And when we cried, you just get the glory of the trickle down through and the, you know, four years they're down in the United States and down in Prince Edward Island, there was immigrants and passengers.

Jean Ringsage: We were even smart passengers, but they hadn't shipbuilders and they weren't. Yeah, I guess they must have a little something. They changed this boat to take from the yard. Yeah. Yeah Might have been related to Jimmy Carter by the time we landed there. This man that owned the boat was a no good Englishman by the name Stuart. You wanted to get rid of them in a hurry, so he thought he'd put them in Nova Scotia.

Jean Ringsage: All right. There was a terrible storm. Come up. They were complete. They shipwrecked there. Wiped down, I guess, to save their spinning wheels and their Bibles and a few things. His tools. Nobody lived there. A good Saturday. They knew of the Indians. It was a few Indians. I don't think they met them for quite a few months and all they lived on was sea cows that they could come.

Stiner Ringsage: And t if they had.

Jean Ringsage: Well they didn't have t they didn't have rolled oats either. They just had nothing to live on but see cows now that was tough and finally they, they met the Indians and they told them the French have a call of you insane Pierre and make for a new and see the distance of Prince Edward Island. Those are two tiny little islands.

Jean Ringsage: I don't know how you'd ever find them. Whether that was the navigating. The equipment that they had. Right well or not. It's about the road from the mouth of Saint Lawrence. Does not the map. Sometimes you must be amazed. Well, they had enough experience. Yep. Now I hope they made some kind of a craft boat. They had wet the them of trees, maybe a few boards.

Jean Ringsage: And they got something in spring and the weather was better to take them over there. And they got some help from the French and they decided then that they like Prince Edward now that they'd stay there and they'd be here and they may have found a few French. It's more, more 150 miles long, but they may have found a few more people floating around in due time.

Jean Ringsage: But never during that first winter I had the stuff and that was the start of the Ramseys. They, they, they were one of them I know. Became a rear admiral in them, in the Navy, in the States in the summer, and then moved down to Amherst. There. Well, not Amherst. It's one of those places on the on the coast of Maine and where there's quite a shipbuilding place.

Jean Ringsage: And started building submarines. But that was in the 1800s. Some of them went to Hawaii. And over there they really got around well in my mother's father's people came over about 100 years later or so far, 1835. They were helped out by Lord in during that period. There was a great drive on in Scotland to buy up all the lab receipts.

Jean Ringsage: That was the money making thing, and they practically force these small landowners off their farms. But this fella, whether this really kind of hard I don't know, but he helped these displaced farmers get settled out in Prince Edward Island. So he going in help them. They had to make it all of pretty good, you know what I mean?

Jean Ringsage: They had a way to get in, but they did prosper in both them. Both men married. My grandmother, gave her mother time to marry grandfather to the north and the a lot of them came down to the United States. A lot of them settled in the East Coast, both in and around there. Just at least they picked up education.

Jean Ringsage: And my bosses seemed to be at the hub where we, they, they maybe learned the ways of working here. You know, the better ones, the better, the better. I think America, American. Well, the wicked got it. Well, not altogether, because it was long before it became more Yankee, sort of. And even, you know, more American own mother could hardly stand.

Jean Ringsage: And sometimes it was full of Americans. We Americans don't look at it that way. How would you like to have some in your own blood? You don't get the kids there. We Americans don't look that way. Well, my grandfather's brothers, four or five of them came down scattered around. Some of them were in Michigan, Dakotas. Two of the sisters are schoolteachers, married out in Michigan, and wives, grandfathers.

Jean Ringsage: But there was a young not too long after they came. We got to get in the Civil War. Guess it must have been a great uncle that was there. There was a great uncle, came down and became a doctor. And during the Civil War. Now this is another family, skilled people from the southern side. We didn't really fight, but some of them up to that point.

Jean Ringsage: He was one of the southern doctors in the Civil War, then came back the prince around. We really visited. They were they really came back and forth quite often. And about that time, grandfather had this newborn baby boy, I guess I hear we should call him after our had sat down on things and said, Guys, I've got a finding for you.

Jean Ringsage: And he said was down fourth and generally that they were very good and all he thought they were wonderful. So for us, this was my uncle. Yeah. So that's. How did you.

Sam Schrager: Say that's how your boy get the name for.

Jean Ringsage: Them. Yes. On his fourth 12th.

Sam Schrager: Grade.

Jean Ringsage: Pass when your.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. And a good boy got in that he wouldn't go to high school, he'd Just get started nicely you then you go to in school and different for different days groups. I don't know I finally.

Jean Ringsage: Picked up that he finally got his equivalency and really get off and I got real.

Stiner Ringsage: Good. yeah he well he says I knew I had land on my family and get to work.

Sam Schrager: You know, when you have put that laugh up. Wow, that was you People laugh.

Sam Schrager: On the walls to put that to put.

Sam Schrager: That down and went on. Did you do it in the lattice this way, in this way or it just up and down now?

Stiner Ringsage: Well, I'll tell you now, I had a lot of people and they get to a father part. But what I wanted, you know, a lot of the long run now.

Jean Ringsage: That we did the things that.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah I know but there's no use doing that. All I wanted was to get in a straight line as much as I could. Well, here the logs run in so far that I had the way.

Sam Schrager: You know, say.

Jean Ringsage: He had a part he had to put.

Stiner Ringsage: Under to get him out here to get him have always straight.

Jean Ringsage: Down.

Sam Schrager: Also you use the last two to to take off the the difference in the day to scrape the wall better than.

Stiner Ringsage: Who are coming down street and then curve and then like that if they didn't have the other side next to the kitchen pretty scrape all the way down but the underside it next to the president.

Sam Schrager: Did you put it between the logs. Is that where you put the lap or did you know.

Stiner Ringsage: On the outside.

Jean Ringsage: it went up and down.

Sam Schrager: Right Right next move piece next to the other.

Jean Ringsage: No will say no.

Stiner Ringsage: It's okay.

Jean Ringsage: Well how far would you say you put it on the wall.

Stiner Ringsage: How far are you. no. I had for a kid on the wall or. Yeah, you get that straw and mud, then you get it. The right thickness and slam it in that good and time. Boy, you never get it done or not use it back when you were taking that on fire, huge with the head and I throw it is the hard it the state in a chance to get out easier.

Sam Schrager: You know there's something else.

Sam Schrager: I want to ask you I guess talking to you last time that was about when you talk about the Americans as having a lot of know how in Alberta.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah.

Sam Schrager: Now was this a.

Sam Schrager: What.

Sam Schrager: What was the deal on that the Americans just no more than well than the Canadians.

Stiner Ringsage: At that time I think did that I think I don't know what the American.

Jean Ringsage: And that I think Americans had started to use machinery like binders and all that equipment and therefore and how long before they got them up their machinery the.

Sam Schrager: Still.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah, yeah. Way up there. You had to buy.

Jean Ringsage: The machine states machinery.

Stiner Ringsage: It was all and secondhand everywhere by now down here the new binder at that time at 125, something like that. And up there'd be 300 down.

Jean Ringsage: You know a man, if he did, he may have it at that price. Maybe you'd have to hire someone to in this field and they wouldn't have the experience. That's why I say that. That's why they didn't have the experience up there. They really had so that.

Sam Schrager: Mean that Americans were in an advantage position?

Jean Ringsage: Yes, definitely.

Sam Schrager: Compared to the other other immigrant groups.

Jean Ringsage: And yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: I don't know. I were talking about the mining and I don't know smarter than that, but I think it came from the.

Jean Ringsage: You know, the money came from Ukraine.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah, I know.

Jean Ringsage: That's my back. Way.

Stiner Ringsage: Way. Yeah. Way back in the.

Jean Ringsage: Bible is that is the same month it went there cramping around the Bible down here.

Stiner Ringsage: And you see they still have a little town by the column and door behind nobody. Nobody. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: And they'll be here.

Stiner Ringsage: And my guess they won't have you did nothing else and you know like that this door that I got all them right and I knew I didn't know anything much. You take that stuff on the outside the building. She they left the barn up there with the puffer pole, you know, they didn't even ask to be straight. They just, you know, put.

Jean Ringsage: Like, you know, on top of your guns.

Stiner Ringsage: And butter and just kept the brand. It and fill them with money on both sides like that and they'd make that friendly.

Jean Ringsage: You see how cheap it was to build that I was writing this mod.

Stiner Ringsage: yeah. And they'd lay these thing fairly close together all the way. Yeah. They would make a smoother side on the inside.

Jean Ringsage: On the outside.

Sam Schrager: The so that mean they could get by better than.

Stiner Ringsage: another thing that they had the Ukrainian that was.

Jean Ringsage: Here they could.

Sam Schrager: Bought.

Stiner Ringsage: A car that came from my uncle and he could be, he wouldn't afford to buy greenery or lumber to build one. Well he finally got some lumber. Yeah. All right. But the floor. I can make that. I'm sure all of that. That you can get straw anyplace. And they. Well, I he told me on the outside of that building had the same thing.

Stiner Ringsage: And he said the only thing he said about ever to use on the outside again, he said you makes a third. And so that's.

Sam Schrager: Why he can.

Stiner Ringsage: Search in the.

Jean Ringsage: Same place, squeezing a little plant.

Stiner Ringsage: my gosh.

Sam Schrager: I'm not very little.

Stiner Ringsage: Is really it? Yeah.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, yeah.

Jean Ringsage: I tried to ask you something.

Sam Schrager: Here, let me see.

Sam Schrager: yeah. These people that were in.

Sam Schrager: Good, good shape, the farmers that were pretty well to do.

Jean Ringsage: During the Depression. There wasn't anyone but.

Sam Schrager: Well, did they. Do they go under fast? These people that were you because you said when you were first married you had. There were people. Yeah. I thought you could do as well.

Jean Ringsage: Well, I tell you, I were very few. There was a few people that had their farms completely paid for.

Stiner Ringsage: yeah. But they were now.

Jean Ringsage: They'd been there maybe all their lives. Their fathers in Homestead.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. They took over that kid.

Jean Ringsage: And the kids baby had taken over they were able to make and maybe they had all the machinery bought and paid for it. It was a few of them through. No, they never were There weren't affluent, but they survived where the rest of us were, just really down to zero.

Stiner Ringsage: Like my place. Then I worked on it, tried hard and paid to keep everything out the mortgage and then lock up and leave it. Well, if I had boys want to stay, they'd just take the girls and be big advance. A good house stays only five six years old.

Jean Ringsage: But during the Depression era, nobody unless they had money, could have made anything on that.

Stiner Ringsage: I know, I know. I'm just. See, there.

Jean Ringsage: Was $500 a year interest on the place this years. We started the winter was maybe $35. We couldn't pay anything. Just couldn't. There was just nothing.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, you had another thing you didn't have to. There was restrictions against anybody trying to collect money from take anything.

Jean Ringsage: Well, you have your mother. And that was about this. The third year of this.

Stiner Ringsage: I used to have a pretty good sized greenery around there. And I could keep on the range for, you know, long for more. I had thought I needed nobody did that. And then for next spring, I'd give in mind.

Sam Schrager: That the law.

Stiner Ringsage: That's the law so they can start running out without your. So make it harder.

Sam Schrager: You can have that law.

Stiner Ringsage: That you starve instead of the ending.

Sam Schrager: That.

Jean Ringsage: You're going to run. That was getting going down under they fine farmers.

Stiner Ringsage: But I know some of the neighbors after that it said what would you do? It couldn't figure out how I would get out well. I said the first thing now I paid the bank the first. I think I.

Jean Ringsage: Believe before that you'd think a little wife would not sign that. A banker stood there with tears in his eyes.

Sam Schrager: Not know what No was.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, I told him, I said you laughed and said, well I just figured that out. And I said, You got too much interest. Your interest was way too. And well, he said, I wouldn't mind. I'm ready to not only send in the back.

Sam Schrager: That you're going to pay back all the native.

Stiner Ringsage: People to three. We went underground or I saw him there next to my car.

Jean Ringsage: We were leaving. I already.

Stiner Ringsage: Had the right that he.

Jean Ringsage: Wanted to them.

Stiner Ringsage: So I paid to pay off.

Jean Ringsage: The bank and I wouldn't. Wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Stiner Ringsage: Like to. You said we had about a thousand.

Jean Ringsage: Of them that.

Stiner Ringsage: We paid for. Exactly. But then I said.

Sam Schrager: Well could you know about it.

Stiner Ringsage: You get along.

Sam Schrager: With they.

Jean Ringsage: Didn't matter.

Stiner Ringsage: And then one of the background when he.

Sam Schrager: Was in his arms.

Stiner Ringsage: And she had to.

Jean Ringsage: Inside because I haven't done it in long, I mean, I don't know. I had a thousand a woman that would refuse.

Stiner Ringsage: But they wanted to come to value and getting on the plane, I.

Jean Ringsage: Wouldn't.

Stiner Ringsage: Why And give me the car And then she had no money. You can say, well.

Sam Schrager: You.

Stiner Ringsage: Yes, we were. I think that she had already had. But I get the milk.

Jean Ringsage: I know have to be signed by.

Stiner Ringsage: And they were pretty.

Jean Ringsage: Good that.

Stiner Ringsage: Was the.

Jean Ringsage: White guy writes Rice. The whole.

Stiner Ringsage: Thing says.

Jean Ringsage: It comes.

Stiner Ringsage: Again. They got I and you know, everybody wanted to help.

Jean Ringsage: Sign.

Stiner Ringsage: Writing operation down 30.

Jean Ringsage: Or independent.

Stiner Ringsage: They were.

Jean Ringsage: Living on.

Stiner Ringsage: I couldn't afford that.

Jean Ringsage: I thought that would be a separate thing.

Stiner Ringsage: But you just keep about them. Wife and my two daughters are again that was that had been that's been out of your mind. Everything around here in my house. I want everything the same.

Jean Ringsage: Time to get.

Stiner Ringsage: In place now in the house everything that's in the house for me. Like the headline of those things? No, you know, like all the boxes. But I couldn't live there.

Jean Ringsage: We were up against. That's my.

Stiner Ringsage: Grandpa had a.

Jean Ringsage: Hard Roosevelt.

Stiner Ringsage: For some over a hundred years. Kept Pretty good time in.

Jean Ringsage: The Middle Ages.

Stiner Ringsage: And so, well, I knew at one time that blowing up now is his day.

Jean Ringsage: I say one.

Stiner Ringsage: Would definitely say, Well, I knew you'd like to have because his daughter would just pray about mother had. But it's up to me if I that he can have it fine. But my brother Joe.

Jean Ringsage: And of course.

Stiner Ringsage: Got it and how he got it if grandpa wanted to give him something but then comes off Joe went off the good again the chicken. So you want to give him something. And the only thing I think that that faith of.

Jean Ringsage: My father.

Stiner Ringsage: Left living so they he'd given that clock and that's how that begins. And so now I was in my place where we on it. So I went on quite a while and I told me one day I went, Well, look at the watch is mine, I guess, but if you want it, I think you should have. It is really from your dad.

Stiner Ringsage: And on my letter.

Jean Ringsage: Well, the watching the clock the clock.

Stiner Ringsage: And hollering take them.

Jean Ringsage: People.

Stiner Ringsage: They didn't that too much but his daughter was glad yes she wouldn't take $1,000 for that. And you know, they let one in one house then one these people died in their other house.

Jean Ringsage: They moved.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. Then they moved mine there. But here she left a lot of her stuff in this house.

Jean Ringsage: Locked up in a bedroom there.

Stiner Ringsage: Okay. Okay.

Jean Ringsage: I know I broke into it.

Stiner Ringsage: Well, like I said, if my grandma had left something like that, as if she had leave in that place and gone, the one that used on this clock, she to put that clock around her and take them that way, when she left it, of that's the way they were about things.

Jean Ringsage: Vile.

Stiner Ringsage: But anyway to hear from.

Jean Ringsage: Wrong and.

Stiner Ringsage: Not only that but they took a lot of other stuff. They cleaned the railroad. Well, I've handled myself. That's a good thing. I all went apart from there. And then we have one of the places you can sell these things to. How would they know what in there One they had some maybe I might I run into it something like that and I saw one but just like Yeah exactly.

Stiner Ringsage: Then I thought, well he'd be there for some time. I'd write to Mark or see him and ask him if he'd the would, you know, the clock if you saw it. yes. He said it did some repair on that one. Well that would be nice then it'd be wash money to get the right one. But how many thousand of those clocks are in the country?

Stiner Ringsage: And you know, they had news put in different times I guess. And things you don't know what clock you got. Well, if you don't know that you get the right clock by don't help him that so I asked him in there but anyway what they want for it was $50 or $52 and something like and the next time I come around they're looking after I'd talk to it.

Stiner Ringsage: It was gone.

Jean Ringsage: my God. Well, it.

Stiner Ringsage: Is my not been.

Sam Schrager: My none of it.

Stiner Ringsage: No, no. That's what you don't know. See, I didn't know it.

Jean Ringsage: Well it wasn't your ground before would be the same.

Stiner Ringsage: Well no, I wouldn't confide that.

Sam Schrager: So I want.

Sam Schrager: To ask you about when you came down to park and you said the people gave me a hard.

Jean Ringsage: Time. No, no.

Sam Schrager: No. You said what you said was. I remember that. That that you had to be careful.

Jean Ringsage: Yes, but that's a hard time. I mean, you had to be discreet because we were related. You didn't want to say anything out of the way or any wrong.

Sam Schrager: Was there anything like, you know, in politics or that it was the people?

Jean Ringsage: No. But you had their you had to be out. Well.

Stiner Ringsage: I'm thinking.

Jean Ringsage: Harry, you're all winter, Mary. All right. Now, friends and some just very good friend of mine that's out there now. Here was her brother, married to Cyrus. Stepsister. Well, at that time, she was a 16 year old kid. Very irresponsible, very so and so and so on. From. And the marriage was pretty rough for you. It has been very careful how you handle it.

Jean Ringsage: And Steiner's brother, Cousins, was a cousin, married, and he came in. They came in there. She came in there with two kids, moved into his uncle's place, like the son Brian, his wife and two kids home. She was so unhappy that kids were he just by then the old man, he'd come over every day practically and ball on my shoulder.

Jean Ringsage: Well, right next to me was her sister in law or his sister. And you just. It's just being careful. No, nobody was pressuring me. But it's your conscience. It's your. It's to survive. To survive. I've got to get along with these people, these warring factions. Now that marriage ended in a divorce. Well, all the time. And it was just going like this between.

Sam Schrager: The one and the second one.

Jean Ringsage: You see his stepmother, his step sister divorced this woman. Well, all the time. These little domestic problems that are going on there, weeping on your shoulder at least this one was you've got to be careful because here that's there's two or three other people is related to the men. They're not you. You just simply ended up not saying anything almost pretending like they were strangers.

Jean Ringsage: You'd hadn't heard about it. It wasn't pressure to survival. And I started throwing my weight way or the other way. I could see it both ways. That poor old man had lived with young kids like that for 50 years. They're sure they were bothering him and it was his cousin was dumb to bring a wife home under those circumstances.

Jean Ringsage: But it was the depression. Everybody was so fired up and had to.

Sam Schrager: Put really hurt your exuberance.

Jean Ringsage: I mean, wasn't that you couldn't talk for, you know, you would just talk pleasant nothingness of pure avoided did it really and had mature conversation.

Stiner Ringsage: If you'd talk Roosevelt you'd have all the good friends around attentive.

Jean Ringsage: Just had to keep at that.

Stiner Ringsage: I found out first things like that.

Jean Ringsage: And he Helmer was going full blast with it. And I like Eunice and it didn't bother me. Ed was always kind to me. I got along with it. But here was Helmer does fight tooth and nail.

Sam Schrager: That time I was.

Jean Ringsage: dear, the desk helmer sometime. I don't know. Just tell me. Yeah. You know, he thought his dad favored his younger brother instead of Steiner. And you never forgets the old mailman. He never forgets. And he can bring that up. He'll be bringing that up on his deathbed. That did him wrong and gave it all the breaks. Not him.

Jean Ringsage: Well, is me. I had a I had.

Sam Schrager: This.

Jean Ringsage: Kind of What better all these things. But thank goodness their wives were beautiful and stable and quiet and apple was lovely. That's Helmer's wife. Ed's wife was just a lovely person and even the man in green.

Stiner Ringsage: So you know that cat for a very long time, I never even.

Sam Schrager: Heard he was out. He was outside for until, an hour ago. All is quiet. You know, one of the things.

Sam Schrager: That I was really curious.

Sam Schrager: About and you said that after.

Sam Schrager: Well, after time when that you healed that disagreement, your family.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: And with that over your married.

Jean Ringsage: Now she was Becky and then Amy. She was just terribly crushed and hurt. They had high hopes for me to be something else besides the farmer's wife, who had put a great deal of love into me loving care and money and to educate me, you know, in memory. This mother was a widow. And I don't say that mother didn't carry her load in helping.

Jean Ringsage: And when I lived with them, you know, paying for my board, but they gave above and beyond what you'd ever expect of someone that was paying board. Mother paid a very small amount there, I suppose 20, 25 a month for my 20 months. My board, when I live with that Amy going to high school and it wasn't money, but they just, they all had a good brain and I should do something with them besides tell them, tell it all the way because I was only married I don't even know teaching about a year or so, I got married, so she was deeply hurt.

Sam Schrager: What did she want to be? Anything particular is.

Jean Ringsage: I keep on my career for a year or two and she I tell you, it is love. It is so much. Who are you? Married? It's the lifetime of poverty. They and perhaps you had too much pioneering. She knew what pioneering was and she'd gone back to civilization. She liked a decent You like running water. And she was delicate.

Jean Ringsage: And it's hurt. It's just hurt. And then I never told her I did it and then didn't tell her the laughter. Ruth.

Stiner Ringsage: You figured, Well, we had a lot of better, better houses, a lot of them.

Jean Ringsage: I know we had a better house, but they couldn't see there. We had, we had one of the better.

Stiner Ringsage: Houses and then the newer.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. Well I think, you know, when you finally you were hurt by the to, by her and

Jean Ringsage: Because I thought I knew what was good for me.

Sam Schrager: Really. No. What else can. Yeah.

Jean Ringsage: But here. But when I made the first move and her centers and things and, and I, I get my phone driving, I think she was so happy, bothering. She was. She was frail. She had to be. Came back on her in her latter years, and I said, girl, there's either one or two in every family died from typhoid fever.

Jean Ringsage: He lost a cousin to typhoid fever.

Stiner Ringsage: Didn't I don't remember.

Jean Ringsage: Edmund wasn't one of Edmund's brothers. There wasn't that typhoid fever that took them. Either that or some of the somebodies.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, Me? Well, you know, the cousin. The cousin that you told me about that. Or the boy that got shot. And then.

Stiner Ringsage: yeah, it.

Sam Schrager: Was the bullet still inside them all now.

Stiner Ringsage: For about two weeks.

Sam Schrager: It was an enzyme, and the doctor thought it was gone. He went.

Stiner Ringsage: Out. His dad took him to Deering.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. And he told and took him in. And the doctor didn't say it right.

Stiner Ringsage: listen, they had some kind of a thing, you know, like they have to follow the mother around and there no.

Jean Ringsage: Way it.

Stiner Ringsage: Lost its way. So instead of going straight on into the stomach, why, the bullet had turned right around, followed around. I think the skin guided the world around like this. The world. They didn't know anything about. It got all the guns I ever had. Not even a deer hide would turn the bullet. So you let that.

Sam Schrager: Test and the bullet stayed in there and he didn't even see. He didn't.

Stiner Ringsage: Fight. And the blood run in there, collared or whatever you call it. Yeah. There for two command for them. Fine. This is what he went. He not getting any better than that. Go ahead and do that thing. So I just took him and you're not I guess at that time it's pretty hard to pick up a guy after you take him there to him to just pick him up and go to another doctor.

Stiner Ringsage: But he did take them to Moscow and then this old doctor in Moscow that killed my father, Akali Dal Root. Why he knew that the bullet wanted it was aimed straight in. It went straight. There is no in fact, the the no, couldn't no trace it, I guess. And so he just well, he got all the blood out and he said he got that much blood out of there.

Stiner Ringsage: Still blood see, been in there for that long a time. All that and that, that boy was husky and healthy and.

Jean Ringsage: And I guess and starts.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. Now you know that it take more than just ordinary stuff to get rid of him but he finally weakened and weakened and finally died. Well we had gone to school there in Moscow and we used to go and see him when he was in the hospital. There and so he I know he liked it very much on the sick for quite awhile.

Sam Schrager: I don't know how long.

Stiner Ringsage: Maybe three or four weeks.

Sam Schrager: Is it true that other.

Sam Schrager: Farmers would watch what Steiner was doing? And because I think Steiner mentioned that that other other farmers kind of look at to see where he would do things so well.

Jean Ringsage: Right? Right. Yeah. yes, they admired him. They thought he was a marvelous worker. You mean the the Canadians? Yeah. Yes.

Stiner Ringsage: They they had to admire, you know, I guess.

Jean Ringsage: They could fill a tank as quick as he could. And just as those gentle Goldings, there were delightful people. My they thought of the city so quick and fast and it had is great all shot up just so.

Stiner Ringsage: That it no trouble.

Jean Ringsage: Is just like a picture all those beautiful and they just here they did they just really thought but.

Stiner Ringsage: You know I get out the shop 40 acres a day or 20 acres in a day and.

Jean Ringsage: A lot of things because they were anything they had done they had haven't hiring done that. But I mean, they could plow and they could do the simple things in life. They could plow and put in a crop. But he had to break their horses.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah, I guess so much for a heart. But they didn't matter if I worked. You know.

Jean Ringsage: For me, when I'm 35 for a year.

Stiner Ringsage: I do maybe get the weight, but it hit dollars was all they ever paid. But the guy that want me to go.

Jean Ringsage: Or I don't.

Stiner Ringsage: Give me $10 margarine for the break and that might take two or three days I think for a week or two we depend on our value on and broke. And so my dad's like that at that time the horse and biting strike I.

Jean Ringsage: Really.

Stiner Ringsage: That was an interesting thing but one that my God yeah he's hitting. He wouldn't kick back at you for that but you can't. Yeah.

Jean Ringsage: Don't know and you know.

Stiner Ringsage: But one that.

Sam Schrager: Things had gone right.

Stiner Ringsage: It seems like.

Sam Schrager: You you.

Stiner Ringsage: Would have gotten out of the harness of the arm you see on this arm here. Yeah. The black to me this part.

Jean Ringsage: Of town burned out.

Stiner Ringsage: And I started back towards the house.

Jean Ringsage: Yeah.

Stiner Ringsage: And she looked around. She saw me come and make the fire. And there, you know, with that. And she just turned red around on. I got about so close. She came both feet me and blow and I mean it, it just about that tar high off the ground by the campfire down there she had knocked me back as far as I came and the few days by and instead of my body she had taken it off of the body.

Stiner Ringsage: and when she did that devoured already. I knew just what she'd do. Just take my black, thick, heavy, long leg. And then I ran straight underneath and, you know, and her legs. And I kept you right under the tummy weighing. And then I had that.

Jean Ringsage: Was good aim like that.

Stiner Ringsage: And that for a.

Jean Ringsage: While it.

Stiner Ringsage: Wouldn't excite.

Jean Ringsage: Me.

Stiner Ringsage: And she was taken once she'd take to work hard, I'd snapped this thing under her tummy and. My guy, you'd get a bunch of hair coming out every time they she said, What's that? Darn, Every time I kick something back with Daddy. I do the dives and that his and I'd name would do them. You do them.

Stiner Ringsage: Let's see what they were about, you know. And I told him when I got him broke, I had him for a year to a one with a regular pet. And they said it got boy at a regular bronc seat. And I told him he'd colored. And I said, You don't need to worry about mama kicking. That's, you know, you don't worry.

Stiner Ringsage: He says, I had never will worry. He says, I go there and I'm tired and I walk right back around. But we had got to her. But they had better. He says, I know that. Or she's said, Never get close to that horse. He says That horse can kick so hard and every it could kill you. I say, No, I better, I said, just like that.

Stiner Ringsage: I love I don't that Bashir and I take a black snake in one and your heart and whatever.

Jean Ringsage: But he won't ordinarily be very to the animals. I couldn't have done it to meet them.

Stiner Ringsage: Well. yeah. Well I had. my God. But if they get nice and I break.

Jean Ringsage: Your life or theirs what I had is but I think to now our wagon wheels, wooden wagon nails were the rings on. They wanted to be went apart. He knew how to do it, how to, how to make a great big bonfire and put the wheel.

Stiner Ringsage: The tire fire, the iron priority.

Jean Ringsage: And then he'd replace that wooden thing that fell out. And then you wrap it all with whipped.

Stiner Ringsage: With sack.

Jean Ringsage: Whip sacks.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah.

Jean Ringsage: And then you have I have the wife is that right there. And she takes one, you.

Stiner Ringsage: Take Gunner Sack and cut the strips separate about this fire season. Right.

Jean Ringsage: And of it's the wheels laying down that.

Stiner Ringsage: You know you don't want a wagon that's made with wood it's got fellows and that and spokes well the spokes heading to the farmers the farmers is covered with the iron ring. See. Well now and they get very loose you know that all fall apart the iron rim. But apart from there your wagon broke down. Well I had to put in maybe make fella see and it, and then maybe a smoker too may have been that looked good.

Stiner Ringsage: The main thing that get tried to get some good would work in and make it somewhere in there. And a lot of people in Japan they wouldn't know the difference from that and another one and then you put your tire on tired. That's the.

Jean Ringsage: High. Yeah, but that is a ticklish job.

Stiner Ringsage: Yeah. And you know, that's.

Jean Ringsage: I'm laying down all things, all is outside. This is by itself sweat. And then this thing is red half and you have.

Stiner Ringsage: An one on that.

Jean Ringsage: One side or the other. You just have to drop down and it burns its way through this way.

Stiner Ringsage: You know, she's around. They are. And there's not light. It weighs about £200 this this iron the old four inch tire with our foreign car.

Jean Ringsage: But I mean, let's.

Stiner Ringsage: Make royal.

Jean Ringsage: Dirt around.

Stiner Ringsage: And I told her I sure could stand a little help. Try as you can take a couple of sticks and hold of that, you know hey, she there the state is, but she didn't. But I fix it so she could help him.

Jean Ringsage: And I.

Stiner Ringsage: And I put that.

Jean Ringsage: It considering.