Latah County Oral History Collection

Sam Schrager: This conversation with Kenneth. Stephan took place at his home in Moscow on January 13th, 1976. The interviewer is Sam Schrager.

Kenneth Steffen: Darren, I guess the building is gone. When they first a first national bank or they know who is in that right next to Hydra to be added to the to the fore, where we get the idea.

Sam Schrager: That the now that old bookstore that.

Kenneth Steffen: Religious no that's on path is where the barber shop.

Sam Schrager: you mean the first National Bank. Yeah the corner.

Kenneth Steffen: It was the First National Bank. Had a big building there and an excellent and hardware. Now, now it's just art and car. Only one time was sure in Moscow years ago. Where as an inventor.

Sam Schrager: Well, he was a sheriff when he went.

Kenneth Steffen: You? Yeah.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, I, I heard he, he kept out of the way that day.

Kenneth Steffen: Where he gave that man. I knew that he's all he'll go and use it. He's smart, man. I can tell you why. Just a quarter mile east of where we live out there was a cemetery. Now you know where that service station is. And a car. I'm not me, Rover. The house burnt down. Well, that was a city dump.

Kenneth Steffen: Ran at that time of paint thinner and lots of stuff like that came in 50 gallon drum. And so, of course, you know, they hold a junkyard. The junkyard and sirup all comes in tin for they all come in tents and quite up to have a gallon gallons. Well, I go got the dump ground there and I see them pile out and three or four of stuff.

Kenneth Steffen: And I go up there and search around and find all these pins that can and I take them in. I get from 2 to $0.05 apiece. I the hardware store for I'm too but there's they're fancy but with this hand so it made it make quite a little bit of money because.

Sam Schrager: Collins would take whatever you well.

Kenneth Steffen: Well I'll add three hardware stores you know where the telephone building is at the scarab there bearing they had a hardware store there and I right across the street with friends for the IG. And that thing is, you know that was another hardware store. Now war you started or you it started right Sure. Later on you're up in the tune of building at back.

Kenneth Steffen: But you see in those pictures I showed you there where they Williams and went up there to that you went up there to the other room up there you know where they know them.

Sam Schrager: there.

Kenneth Steffen: Might be a neighbor there now they know the certain point I knew of that man. Now you see, here's what Williams is down here now. See? See up in here at their corner drugstore, I think, and probably he went out of business up there right after World War Two. So he, you know, a lot of land and so on.

Kenneth Steffen: I guess he was a I just think he lost out on a thing.

Sam Schrager: That's what I.

Kenneth Steffen: Was doing so well. What was what.

Sam Schrager: Was Williams's store like? Where was it? A good one?

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, he had groceries all the day. We've had grocery store, baby store had growing.

Sam Schrager: Was really it was. Williams is more of a working man's home.

Kenneth Steffen: I don't really know. okay. He bought them at first Class Jude Williams and was a Jew, so. DAVIES a man of duty. Yeah. From the day when Boyd married Gentiles and married Jewish village, where I think, Yeah. So one of those things.

Sam Schrager: I know they. David, were Jewish.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, they were the Jew name.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, I guess they.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah.

Kenneth Steffen: Now, here's a picture of my way to go, Dr. Marshall. And she was a tiny baby. She lived to 55 operation after operation. And I, you know, I was kind of work.

Sam Schrager: Where did you meet her?

Kenneth Steffen: Right here in Moscow. My wife made a man her name from Russia. You know, John Marshall, bank radio manager that make a radio.

Sam Schrager: I know, I know. I know. The Marshall's family from I know they were out in Troy there.

Kenneth Steffen: That way I thought, well, you're talking about their old man, your grandpa go to school. And I even had a little, little farming out there. One time and one time he had her father had the theater in Troy. I went to the John Marshall. His father, Leo, was broke, and my wife and John, the manager of the bank down here, You know, you wanted that one picture?

Sam Schrager: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. Go ahead.

Sam Schrager: I'll see if.

Kenneth Steffen: I that actually check with Lola back to school. Now, the thing the way the school was is is an average day to school for that. And next at the high school it down it got built on you know that really made that to the guard up to another story and he was at the school there there's three rooms downstairs and three upstairs in it.

Kenneth Steffen: And then the basement went down each side, girls on one and boys on the other one. I went to school there. I was only five years old. I got down a girls run the very thing and know I they didn't do much about it. I guess they say I should me where to go. But anyway, I had to like the first and second grade there for that building.

Kenneth Steffen: And then that, then they built up there at 7/38 Street and broke Cornwall was and it did own it, but she sold it. That was the next school I went to and it had the third grade in there, I think third and maybe the fourth. But then the high school with now the old building across from the offices, across north, the high school, you know, in there that very nailed about 1910, I think I went there to school for the fifth.

Kenneth Steffen: Then sixth grade with the seventh and eighth. I went to the Irving school. And during that time, I can't tell you what year it was the rest of school and the rest of school that both of us square building. Now there on that picture that I gave the law applied and she's supposed to give it to you. I'm sure she Well, well, he's supposed to enlarge it, but for the Irving School set all poplars around there and you can we enlarge it?

Kenneth Steffen: You wouldn't get to see the school today, I imagine. Kind of the popular trees, you know, Then after they tore it all down, that school burnt. Then they tore that there was only four rooms in each building. He and I went to the seventh, eighth grade that both at the urban school. And then as far as I got to to work that was a wooden building, burnt coal in a furnace, you know, and you know, I mean, I would I bet long make it all filled with whatever fall away, you know like then but those those four pictures or anything.

Sam Schrager: Did you, did you work when you were a kid while you were in school to go into the school. Yeah. Well, we didn't well.

Kenneth Steffen: I had some at some schools out in government. If I were used to high and worked the God damn hell out of your own garden, slap in the heart. Nothing that you work from 5:00 in the morning at 8:00 at night, most of the back for a buck a day. Yeah. And then I. I went out and did it, you know.

Kenneth Steffen: But I got, I thought about it afterwards. Just cried, my sergeant damn fool to make a lot worse. I mean, I guess, you know, they could, you know it.

Sam Schrager: What did they board your.

Kenneth Steffen: yeah. yeah yeah. You know which they there they board room. Yeah. So on like that. Yeah. The last time I worked on a farm I came out of the service one time playing down on our enterprise. I went to work for a guy down there. He had shot a sheep and has a cow and a head round the thing, $60 to my boarding room.

Kenneth Steffen: And I went out much bag. I still had to feed those cows and sheep, milk them, but you only got $40. So I stayed one year down there. But I had a little fun with this reading. You got that thing running? Yeah, I tell you.

Sam Schrager: That. come on. Okay, tell me. I'll turn it off.

Kenneth Steffen: You know that boy they got? He'd been on hills, I think 19, about 20. And you get to your university, do you know? And I.

Sam Schrager: Sure they. And you, you taught the kids to do too so.

Kenneth Steffen: Well they we didn't. We didn't have a sewing machine. No, but I mean they can take and put the buttons on, you know, hand work so and I got an outfit in there like that, but we didn't we didn't have a sewing machine either, you know. But they did they did a laundry up till then. They had iron, they'd iron or stuff.

Kenneth Steffen: They went to school with their pants, iron in their shirts, ironed, looking good right time that, you know, guy and cook And their youngest boy in here, he he didn't graduate but they kept pink of them you know like I thought and gave him and he took them against soldier boy the boy he was pretty good about cards thing but he got I got him into the a senior in high school and as far as I getting the then he got in a National Guard and they got him in the service and he got one army high school diploma and a six months he put in there down in Fort Irwin Haley they think you

Kenneth Steffen: had the first class mechanic knocking out maybe $12 a month.

Sam Schrager: You think? I think the kids kids missed having a mother in law.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, they did. They did. They must be It must be that they missed having a mother. But now, the oldest two, they were not married this boy yet, so he probably won't miss more. You know, I take him living the time every and I like that now. When I got older I could drive. They all had cars to drive or drive traffic at night and they made out I I've been really he's passed away in 55 and mother I took care of him over 19 years too.

Kenneth Steffen: She died in 56.

Sam Schrager: You must have you must have had it put a lot more to raising kids than most fathers ever do. You know, most of them leave it all in your life.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, I tell you, I made a lot of mistakes. Do I look back on it now and know, have a house well with me anymore that I had to pick up and a new illness at that time going to be about 10,000 that they would cost you 50 or 60,000. But I know I testified that now on this levee system and, you know, that way it didn't have to be run by themselves.

Kenneth Steffen: They you all have worked me, you know, life that they carry on to have it, things like that. I had I had a grocery store in one tragic story. I lived I had three picket going part time, early morning to the university and I to afterwards I had the university was trying to find some better, you know, take over because I had a lot of right at that time we had the charging maternity co-ops up their laboratories.

Kenneth Steffen: They didn't have the wholesalers coming in. I'm like, you got now, see? But I had that up to 72 myself and I turned it over again this morning and I still got Debbie store and I've had them since 1944.

Sam Schrager: Where did where did you deliver from? Did you deliver for any stores in particular?

Kenneth Steffen: yes. the grocery stores. Modern Way on Main Street. Now they were for grass and grocery. I had the sanatorium market up there. Well, it's a grocery at Village Grocery. You know those stores like that. See, you know who I you know, I can't remember. All I did had that happening at the bookstore anymore of the other companies.

Sam Schrager: What do you remember about them early grocery stores in Moscow when you were when you were a kid? What was there in town? A bunch of grocery stores?

Kenneth Steffen: Well, there's all little home only store, the homeowners store. But they were didn't have these big things like you got nowadays. I think where well, they say for you go in to this worth of beans in the head and then put her on a scale and wear it up say sugar same down way saying right I'll come in 50 £100 sack.

Kenneth Steffen: Maybe they I got like that bread. You never got any bread if you're got at a bakery, you know, we got two bakeries they're going back. Didn't actually you know how you bakeries come on. I bet in your grocery store that people back in the day who I didn't have that I worked for Charlie Schroeder down there for the bakery on Third Street.

Kenneth Steffen: Now, Jody Schroeder, I guess, started I don't know. They started not very much that they owned it. And I was a kid about 12 years old. They had it every year making a hand. Of course, they bring that would in turn in it. had in those days it wasn't a four foot what. And Harry put me out there but that and that burnt and that thing out.

Kenneth Steffen: You did that with hard work, you know, I would come back in day.

Sam Schrager: What would you do with did you have a.

Kenneth Steffen: I had I had a mile and a wedge and an ashtray and you know, in a four foot they're pretty big chunks and.

Sam Schrager: You had to chop it with the eggs.

Kenneth Steffen: Put it's foot, you know, like he he didn't fall for your family, but you had to get it down to smaller feet now. So I'd grown better. He got a big old oven in there. Now, of course, they're all electric now, you know.

Sam Schrager: So your job was split?

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, did that. And I worked at the pans in the back. All that, you know, like all the fans are. No, I it, it makes any kind of work at all and do it well you know everything it was you didn't worship the bread pan to bake bread they they don't force him up you know he he but he greeted them they.

Sam Schrager: Received in you've done the mixing.

Kenneth Steffen: Making those all that.

Sam Schrager: Would do.

Kenneth Steffen: That Dorothy that's six days a week.

Sam Schrager: Sounds like they got the kids for slave labor.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. Yeah. But you know, if I went over Davie, the department store there and they had a on and I bought my first pair of long pants a suit for, for that.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. I would make it six bucks a week for a buck for it to lay off after work, hair long pants.

Sam Schrager: Before that you'd worn them what do they call knickers.

Kenneth Steffen: Knickers the Yeah. Yeah. We're never that is that George over all black that come down long they.

Sam Schrager: That would made you man when you started wearing long pants and.

Kenneth Steffen: I. I don't know it was style I guess kids warm up to the 50 and 16 years old. I one time was naked. I had a blue sari suit at a Belfast back to paragraph two paragraph and they got it for Penny store. Now I tell you what it cost me. I can show you the place now where we live down there in the country.

Kenneth Steffen: They come on the bridge on Mountain Road, there is a bridge there and it went right through our place and came out. And there's another bridge. You went out to the state of Ohio, turned around and come right back through that road. Through that road right there and came on down through and it crossed. And that the bridge out there and Wide Avenue now is the only one there on the right avenue.

Kenneth Steffen: See what it was two more up there. Well, they changed the creek from our place down there for a quarter of a mile and I've got to register. And I carried water for them in for days. That seems hard, you know, scraper. You can't get to them at that time They see any think you use Williams in next door was in there that golden rule started up there in the village tore down now where are they white on our main now is Harry Damon had his sure I think that whole thing come out February street you know it it just burned our all around you need to show any story in here called the Golden

Kenneth Steffen: rule. Well mother brought me to town and I got. We got a warrant from the county. Well, but I got this trotter. I got a pair of shoes and two pair long sock come up in here, and I don't think you been quite as well, darling. You stop to think that that clothes where those days. You know, Mother made most of your shirts fresh.

Kenneth Steffen: You know, she bought the goods. You know, she's so real. They don't. They don't like that.

Sam Schrager: You know when you went when you went out to Wenatchee and when working there, working in the house and that kind of thing, I was thinking about that as real interesting to me, what you told me, what I was wondering more about that. I was wondering about work, like what kind of clothes you took on to.

Kenneth Steffen: The best clothes. Well, I had to wear clothes. You know, in those days I didn't wear never wear all this, you know, regular dungarees. I mean, you know. Well, I know, like, at that time, they got maybe 70, $0.99 a pair. I bought overalls here, a penny for after I come back in 37. Where Less than a dollar there, you know.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. I rent a room. We went down to eat that in time. I didn't do my cooking. I did some that I could eat from breakfast and got back and I made my back into the and I think five $6 a day for think an apple but with that.

Sam Schrager: What did most of the people do for I mean like say you take like the families that were there were picking I imagine there were a lot of families with kids and everything. Where did they.

Kenneth Steffen: Not not too many of them camped out in that sometimes you had place for you to stay at had rain, you know something. And they had been there that time, too. And yes, they are yet. Right. And they you know, this man, Johnson, David Johnson wrote this article on the second.

Sam Schrager: No, no, no.

Kenneth Steffen: You know, I Terry, I was going to ask him to come down. We wanted to write to write a little history. I got somebody should write. I got some clippings in here. Herbert You remember reading event, You know, General Mitchell being court martialed. He was a gentle Army advocate, you know, of the airplane, too. And and he, after World War II, to throw away a captured German.

Kenneth Steffen: That's why he sent his planes over, you know, and drop bombs on the psychology and admirals and generals. They got in there. I mean, maybe they didn't want to where the battleships or anything, you know, which proves, you know, if they're accurate, because we've got our Air Force now more damage and about you have to do you know well the court marshal, Billy Mitchell, in 23, I think it was, and they married him.

Kenneth Steffen: I did something.

Sam Schrager: You know, if you're doing what what well.

Kenneth Steffen: Is advocate you know that his he was pretty outspoken about building these warships. You know, and so on him. The fact is, I was on a ship built in 1920, the old Tennessee in the California 1920. Of course, they're in mothballs now. Are there any other shots on the ships in Pearl Harbor? But anyway, the Navy, you know, they thought they'd pull something.

Kenneth Steffen: Now, this is in 1925. The government having a station loaned, according to all the information, make it in a hurry. Australia, if may make way back in about 19 seven, 1908, the white fleet and made a goodwill Camp Australia and that was all sailing ships. They called it the White Fleet Day, but we went over there in 1925 with the East Coast.

Kenneth Steffen: Battleships in the West Coast, effects destroy destroyer water tenders, home dry ships and all that kind of stuff. I don't know how many. When we went to Sydney and Australia and West Bank went over to Auckland, New Zealand, I can't remember the other city stuff, that Goodwill Tour event. Well, during that time the Navy said, Well, we'll do something, so I'll name it Rogers.

Kenneth Steffen: I don't know whether the commander or just a lieutenant or like that commander and a navigator, and I don't think there's three. And they load them up in a seaplane to make the very flight. Why announce the first flight? And I went down the drain. But they did it right. We're coming back and all the ships circulate. So they went on navigation, you know, like longitude, latitude, certainly.

Kenneth Steffen: But I got I think it was a submarine to pick them up, found them and told them in a honolua I got to think of two different Honolulu advertiser. They're telling all about the rescue and send pictures in. But at 51 years old in July and they're pretty well it should be taken. You took my car copier and copies.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, they should be there, you know.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, it's fiction what it is, you know. But then before that go, you know, back to see, we made a lot of courage about wrote about him for that. And so I but it was really, really taken partly so far as that goes, because her aunt Carolyn telling a story you'll see us live here, you know, however, over in Baghdad and dead three days for the founder of the homes up there on South Street 300 block about 315 321 of them like that I think yeah that then I think he had an accent.

Sam Schrager: Yeah she was.

Kenneth Steffen: Two girls all not had I think of a memory in the story or I where I lived out there environment the cemetery Rosie my grandmother and well mother and flowers my God. And we had so many people come well that they walked through the cemetery like my mother used to get far away. That many, many women come by there things saying Florida.

Sam Schrager: Your mother.

Kenneth Steffen: My mother did when they would come there in 1920. Well, did that she in 1901 and I know it was November that I mean, all was before he's buried over in bowling go headstone the grave and my my father Helen. Helen cried of getting buried in the Masonic lodge right there, ready to go out a home. And I get over that hill.

Kenneth Steffen: I got a cemetery up there, and I was amazed. They they. They didn't like that. They got old Doc, about the only one around town here. I kind of, but, you know, I think so. And they really wanted to bought our property there.

Sam Schrager: They were the only one that did any butchering you me doctor.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. Yeah he he didn't say anything you you got. Well that is well you a hard way with it like a lawyer. They stayed under a doctor, didn't have no schools got and but they learned they Yeah. I decided that in high school that I could get now train like how many a lawyer study and they came out all right aren't a lot of them did to send them good ones anyway a Roger St John talked about her father he did the same thing in California.

Kenneth Steffen: Got he was a brilliant attorney. They got it. He had he did some wonderful work. You know, he he did the same thing.

Sam Schrager: He learned it from another guy.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. I'm Harvey Smith's father here in Markham. He. He did the same thing again. Go court. You know, they hire women to be an engineer, but he was an attorney, Harvey Smith, that he did. Now, Harvey, up around 93, passed away. You might have heard of him. No. Yeah. Yeah. Isabel and William. Why? Well, I think that they're related to the David.

Kenneth Steffen: I think it's cousins of Who's Lee? They are two by way that that you know, they did they go into their law office and they read the book and then go along with sessions cards and things like that. And that's how I picked it up. And I suppose they they just about as good. But Doctor did quite a bit the same thing, you know, like that.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. They did. All right. But they have give him a lot of credit but I guess they tried a lot of things but they know what they're doing and I guess you see that in their Martha card. Know go through.

Sam Schrager: A little quick look at.

Kenneth Steffen: It really.

Sam Schrager: It's, it's that's when her stories are you looking at the ads and.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, sure is. I mean then here are something that you might take a little look at. I've had some of these in my day, too. I had this car here and this one, the.

Sam Schrager: Touring board for $290.

Kenneth Steffen: yeah. See, I definitely see this nephew to 60. Me Yeah, Yeah. Somebody I thought I might take that out and ask the four people that there they when to copy it up. Right. Yeah. The, I think, you know, you keep a lot of old junky things around me. Not really. The things you have.

Sam Schrager: Is better to save them and throw them out, I'll tell you.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, I wish I hadn't afraid to keep a lot of things ahead. You know, somebody had a million $1,000,000 here last night, about 19 05a second. Bought all these cars. They weren't very he could have automobiles. He could have maybe I don't know how many car he had hair. How much may they be worth it be worth at least 100 times more.

Kenneth Steffen: How you had to pay for him, you know, now. And this guy down here. Yes, I think it Reno it has. Is there a collection of old, old car? You know, You know, one time I had an old Hudson car that was a right hand drive and the gearshift was outside. I had it.

Sam Schrager: On the right hand.

Kenneth Steffen: Side. On the right hand drive. Yeah. He was in that can drive. And the gearshift had slots for the gearshift on the outside of the car in there because he didn't have no car. And so and I had. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I think Frank Packard is a pretty good old car. We couldn't make it a Studebaker went in.

Kenneth Steffen: Too bad they started making wagon when they went belly up car thing. Of course they went to Canada. Try to I guess for a cheaper labor as I try to make the they just did a very very good little car went down and then left the car.

Sam Schrager: You took your car like the cars. You had them early cars went driving around the country here. What were the roads like them. What was it like? Was it hard to get around? yeah, yeah.

Kenneth Steffen: I went to Spokane with a team of a Ford and a ruts in the Road. It rained great. It very often is that but sand. Yeah. You can have that in, in winter And I saved yourself from hell by and you know how they started air freight in this country here in the motor freight matter now Garrett you know how they started I tell you myth and down here had an old rubber solid rubber rail track.

Kenneth Steffen: You're doing better hand transfer. The guy or boot had one out. It did work around there. Garfield had one junk. there rose area and they all got together. Bag action one Bring it partway and go on back. Get on the road. Freight come in Moscow and on motor freight. It was and their first, their first office where the fire station is down there now in Bellingham.

Sam Schrager: Well what do you mean it only bring it part way.

Kenneth Steffen: Well they old truck, they couldn't even go. They ran traffic in Spokane down here. Now, later on, I got started.

Sam Schrager: I mean, they take it down a ways and then they'd unload it and put it in a truck.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, they could. They didn't have too much. No, they freight come in on it everyday. They guys I went down to the nickel here and picked up freight. You know, I went all these doors, had their groceries and everything else come in. No I had a working for Robert Brown, then he had a Navy store and he had a different grocery store.

Kenneth Steffen: So we pick off those and and take their pay. Yeah. Hey, so my pay make for my dog and freight money in the morning. And that wasn't too bad back in those days. I'm going back. I know they're busy as a you might think fooling around but that's how staff come to town and they would write in our freight.

Kenneth Steffen: You know we had him I don't know several warehouses in here own privately, you know I mean where we they didn't a single one in a country a day our co-op.

Sam Schrager: Was wasn't Mark B Millard.

Kenneth Steffen: At the another had a big like me for our mail. I mean I bought a lot of marketing every fiber dollar $0.25 50 bank you know damn good for my mother made good bread out of it. I know a lot of people are. Don't you got that every time you got snow Five. No, no. You got you guys coming in now you know again it not it all in one way.

Kenneth Steffen: And no flour anyway you know about they that it's a week different kind of.

Sam Schrager: Weeks we were just as good as well we have our we have little.

Kenneth Steffen: Kind of we got here now and at that time I don't know I didn't back that time, you know, we knew. All right But now that right in this country out here now that we export it to Japan and got it put to make noodles and all kinds of stuff out of it, it's a different kind of wheat thing.

Kenneth Steffen: But the hard we good hard wheat. Montana raised a lot of good hard we think be far far more and more and we do over here in Washington Idaho. You know but I don't understand too much about that what that when you got a little more to do What you working on. Well, that I can't picture do you any good going hang that.

Sam Schrager: I figure I'm going to be I'm going to be working until this summer and I ought to be done in the.

Kenneth Steffen: Interview. I well, I don't know too much about it. I that goes I'm not the oldest one around Moscow here, but.

Sam Schrager: You remember the town pretty well and the in the early days. And then when you were when you were you not the real or not?

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, well, you know, my grandparents come here a year or two after my folks there, and they walked down that very street and they owned that house. That mother sold it in 1944. 45. We sold it. Yeah, well, it went out and run in place an apartment that they've had a barter. I didn't, but things had changed, you know, now.

Kenneth Steffen: And if you come to town, you take her engine, all wooden sidewall, you know, And I remember it all wouldn't it were you take Main Street range from Muscatel South you act out those people on to the other side they've got a basement and they don't have that much in there I gather bring down. And so I remember one time that something was celebrating.

Kenneth Steffen: Right. We sit on the sidewalk right in front of the hotel, the sidewalk that, you know, a three pieces of matter. All right. Very much hotel here. And they had they think that now you've ever been the Jim Cannon.

Sam Schrager: I've seen them, but.

Kenneth Steffen: Not well, they they had a pole party. The guy had come by and I had the rings on the thing and it it firms they had all the day thunder by them and big parties they rode already you know 8000 to 1200 pound back those they they're really good party right All right and listed on that would walk in they came along there I remember that real well And then on down south where Charlie Blanchard had a there Now I didn't shoe shop at the shop John Major and about the same bank next door that anyway they put a wooden base in there and it and have had a dance for July and there's a

Kenneth Steffen: you know little low down about four foot drop and walked down to it you know dances there you know and right across town sixth Street there were nearly there but Butterfield Butterfield, a heavy machinery and he had a side was high, but he also had a for platform built up in the pretty bad you know, where the and well you know where the Christian church was tore down and so they bought the property right exactly.

Kenneth Steffen: East of the of the what it called there the post it they used to put up very much and Robert and the turkey it was about back another day to all get up and get the hell the Mormon get out of the Catholic church and you know I got my mother took us kids so I get I got to say no, no.

Kenneth Steffen: But anyway, I'll tell you a little story. You know Robert Peterson, Attorney Markham.

Sam Schrager: wait a minute. This is not about class. You told me a story. I remember that. You told me that.

Kenneth Steffen: You heard that. They said because they brought in shavings and stuff, you know, So that was I put it down, down to spring in a tent on that ground with the old Griffin Church where my uncle built that Christian church right there. You went to church all day Sunday. Very good. And all night Sunday. And I mean all day and all night.

Kenneth Steffen: They'd wake. They go beat the rest of the week. I was every.

Sam Schrager: Which uncle was out.

Kenneth Steffen: Of salvage.

Sam Schrager: Or when they didn't they scream about dancing and drinking too. I thought they were. yes.

Kenneth Steffen: Yes, yes. Yeah. And they probation coming when they're boys it all overseas you know, during World War one thing and everything and probation now took a little while so they got Roosevelt in there, came back and he looked in 32, took off in 33, and they repeal it. They come on that like when I went down to argue in the fall down there and it right and I say that winter and I went out and cut wood in the woods for a day before they deadwood we got a dollar a car delivered by a team therefore up to a highway where a guy with a truck at all to car a dime into town, he

Kenneth Steffen: sold it for $9. He how? Two guards at a time. But we got a dollar a piece. Any finish there? I guess they killed our deer out there. Meat, you know that. I get there no time. But then I did some of that quite a bit that winter. And it was then hard to know what they were going to write down, their sheep and cattle and so on.

Kenneth Steffen: And I stayed up 29 hours. They do all year at 30 up and the spring of 31. And I laughed at me. Then I went back in the service. I said this working for $40 a month and a bargain room is a damn good to watch. They went back in his or her second and I got it right away.

Kenneth Steffen: And 42 bucks a month in the board room and the clothing and everything and the medical committee. And I got to take a little trip to. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: A little trip overseas.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, I went to, I don't know, was shot back. I got nuclear twice. Yeah, and I got it. And after Dateline do I do.

Sam Schrager: When you were out there in eastern Washington around Wenatchee, was that a lot like it was around here?

Kenneth Steffen: Well, no, I wasn't there too much. Just. Just. You know what I meant to do in the fall? Know? I said I'll just go there like, you know, you guys come here to go to harvest, you know? So I used to go down, down around there, ducking on through in there. You get in a week or two harvesting, they come a week earlier.

Kenneth Steffen: So then we wound up this way, they end up in this country up here. So you could hardly at those they were stationary machine, you know guy would drive somebody else pitch not on in the fields and so factory you pretty good too I got so I can show later the fact that pretty thing actually know they say.

Sam Schrager: That would you what did you do.

Kenneth Steffen: Well I did I got I didn't do much then and I think never but I got to do quite a bit when I got harsh drawn to combine say and then eventually I never worked on a combat ourself about done well I started on one ground Po had 33 had hard time you know the you know those wheeler you are one right back next to me that strung out so God far in advance you know walking in Hartford up to the need by no you had that many on it.

Kenneth Steffen: I got the policy.

Sam Schrager: Operate.

Kenneth Steffen: I sold sacks on that and I so does that got down to that had an motor on to run it and then the team just pulled it and then it had a see this 12 1821 head to get motor tactic and you had a when I drove 2123 Right. But yeah, I worked there thinking as a kid, you know.

Sam Schrager: I just try to think about strengthening about the this what it's like to be working around different places. It sounds pretty, sounds really pretty fun. It sounds like a good a good way to live when you're young and.

Kenneth Steffen: Okay, here's the thing is that nowadays, everybody, they all want to do one thing, Think I do one thing. They know Why can't you do more? But you take the guy company, you can't make it out of work. You get drunk. I dropped in Germany, but another job coming up back. I didn't. He can do that He won't work that you know because he got he don't have to think that guy that's the whole damn thing about now I, I did everything when I was a kid.

Kenneth Steffen: I came back, I did all of those things, and I worked in restaurants. I cook, I cook a door, I hit a town bank and had a meal by. I got an hour time to go around there. I needed dishwashing and a union shop. And you not have one take yonder the only guy come around and let you go there.

Kenneth Steffen: But I got a lot of jobs back. Yeah. And kept going, hell yeah. I went over to Seattle and then didn't have a dime. I gave the guy. We started a service. I'm in a rodeo. Rodeo at the market. I never made any money on it, but the eight, after all I did, they wrote them in the other guy.

Kenneth Steffen: Did you go.

Sam Schrager: To an employment employment office or an.

Kenneth Steffen: Employment office? They, they had a, they had employment. I it, they were they got a guy that ran them for pay. They don't know they find it. I didn't have a thing like that but you go by a job thing you do, you pay so much for a job. We didn't have it. Well you. I didn't do it.

Kenneth Steffen: Hell, no. I had them on job. I'm the guy that. But they didn't have the money way. Then they didn't get out. You pay the guy who are effectively one thing. I didn't go and I thought I get a job. The fall here getting cold in November. Farmer wanted somebody come out there and do a little for plan.

Kenneth Steffen: I think a dollar a day or something like that to run out that a marshal and get off a train and walk across to the other guys. They got dark, you know. Yeah. Next morning, bang, you got to call me. It's still dark now. I got out and went downstairs and it was 4:00. My God, I walked on back Crawford, right around the railroad.

Kenneth Steffen: Track way. The next train. Come on. 4:00 in the morning to go to work on the damn side. Bastard Bag anyone. You work from 8:00 at night? Yeah. Yeah. Now, that's why they had it. You know they can captain a guy, right? You can have a lot of unemployment today raising the wages and make him the. He didn't take care of you, right.

Kenneth Steffen: Want to sleep on the bunkhouse and. And like the woods for the night every day we got going to crummy life you know, bed bugs in it everything and they got it cleaned up say now course they don't they're gonna jump all over do most of it now anyway they went the whole thing back in those days, you know, really kind of rough going.

Sam Schrager: I was Potlatch Potlatch Lumber company. They were like the farmers. They wanted to get away with whatever they could until.

Kenneth Steffen: They did to their deadbeat daddy. You know how they got everybody in the family? Now, I blame the fax machine. You get a fire on me. I never do. Well, I tell you what you could do back in the day that to them I smoke. I've seen it poor. All these machine black honey hair stick matted down into a head of We do it in their head.

Kenneth Steffen: Those that can't case it maybe go to light up, see and that their doctor but I don't know they did it or not but they used to say they did it to get it.

Sam Schrager: You know this is it by itself.

Kenneth Steffen: You're damn right it could been you. Now, of course, they like that. Be a huge. here, take very good at it I guess. University do they got a resistant free smack thing and the class they did in a matter that you can get off of the grain and they get you know damn near don't.

Sam Schrager: But then they see like in them days didn't they have a big campaign against the IWW and then the newspapers and everything. Why didn't they try to get everybody to be against them.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, they did. That's true.

Unknown Speaker: That was that.

Sam Schrager: I don't think the IWW is to do good work.

Kenneth Steffen: They did. They did. You betcha. 40 day wasn't it? It was something like a union you got. But you can't do anything that you're bound your union. No. Yeah. And I don't think that unions are doing good for the people they should do. And the other they have another day when you go there, you stay right there. You pay it for you pay $2 to Doc.

Sam Schrager: You mean you knew what he was doing? Was looking for another job?

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, but he got. But he didn't get it. You won't be able to come back. This one they had that.

Sam Schrager: He had a boy to take it.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. So we lay that you. So anyway, you speak English. They didn't read it. He got to work in the bank, by God, you know. And it made a better jobs. Yeah. So that they they're not dumb but say they're smart, you know, you know after the war or to it over. My brother was a master's flight engineer and the first thing when I went to Shanghai, China and lived in a hotel, I was there and done everything I had to get that 100,000 max, $1 gold.

Kenneth Steffen: But they would they were doing they go in Shanghai, check all this excess or supply that, but out in the Pacific, they went with bringing it back. It's the same old story you heard about in Vietnam, paddy payrolls, selling the stuff, you know, going like, well, that's how come the commies got in that thing. Got to take old Shanghai Bank, got out of China.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, his officers sold all this. That bag I did that. Hell yeah. And Russia helped back up some of that too. You know.

Sam Schrager: He sold the stuff to them.

Kenneth Steffen: So we give it to a check and. And Leonard Bennett was there, too. And, you know, I said how he he had a lot of money trade this stuff off every day and he wanted it to, you know, I had it and I said, blank, there's all kinds of you know, I'm that maniac. Leonard were there. Then it and he was in Germany accommodating Danny I wrote a picture we way.

Sam Schrager: He was going into in town all the time and do their trading in Moscow. They come in and pretty much spend the day

Kenneth Steffen: yeah. Yeah. They would come in. And of course, they love, laugh, you know, visiting a lot. So he used to stand on the corner and spit tobacco juice and curbs on the fat in order. No spitting on the sidewalk. You know that market. And I think that's another thing that if I had a bucket.

Sam Schrager: So what would be my to step was beaten Street.

Kenneth Steffen: Group you mean right. How many men to the back of back in order to make smoke my dad chew tobacco to bed at night, not smile to you again. It'd be 77 bang every day gangrene like.

Sam Schrager: Well, did. So this visiting back and forth with it was it was in town people in the and a couple of people very close to

Kenneth Steffen: I think so because we all had relatives that you know some lived in town you know and out in the country. You know, they were around, you know, my grandparents lived in town and here we had our folks and kind of, you know, they went down to make their living as people out in the country, too, that were friends.

Kenneth Steffen: You know, we had acquainted with new you know, I know every once in a while, take one factory, one your name is there. They had about nine kids and we had seven. Now, can you imagine buying and taking the old buggy in old Nassau and going out of there? But I go Sunday dinner, set up three tables about and then maybe another Sunday they'd all come into our place.

Kenneth Steffen: I don't how many tickets that Calvin Fried bag and all that but it had hot bread. Yeah. All those things, you know, it was just a nice thing to do, you know.

Sam Schrager: With which you bring out food for them. Or would you or would they do all the cooking.

Kenneth Steffen: They do it all. They do it all. And you go to your place. You didn't take nothing. Nothing at all and.

Sam Schrager: Trade back and. Yeah.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah, we had we raised lots of chickens, you know, prior to hell it would.

Sam Schrager: Go back up. Would you go out there for a whole day.

Kenneth Steffen: Go with you in the morning, Think. Get out to take an hour, drive out to the place, maybe a little longer and so on. Yeah. We'd go out in general and all go out and play. However time, you know, run around. I'm like.

Sam Schrager: what's this? You know, I hear that. I hear that country people or, you know, the town people called seeds and pumpkin pushers. And what was that when it were country people more backwards in town?

Kenneth Steffen: Well, I tell you right now, they man, they may not associate. We had people come here that were the Swedes. You know, when you hear some German and Russian and I suppose I didn't speak English to man, but I don't know what we had children come in to school in our school monthly and it them say cheaper on taxi.

Kenneth Steffen: We had to kind of feel today to be better off I think and sorry saw all these busses are adequate they do they can't go to school and how we used to work things. No but I got after I hit I got to get to school when I was a kid. Yeah. And knew I walked from our place over there across to that place upon on at 7/38 Street when it snows and deep froze on top.

Kenneth Steffen: We walked in a crack and you can see a fence know both back again with about five feet off the ground. That I must know that, you know, when we went to school, we went right across that two older sisters once. If you're older and and when one and two younger, you know, we went to school. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenneth Steffen: And then she moved to town. Of course, you know, we had moved in town like that, but Yeah. And they had to starve in those days. We had a lot of No, you know, they, you betcha.

Sam Schrager: So the, but like the country people that I didn't, we did, they have a in the country farms and stuff that they didn't have as much money and stuff as the town people. Those where our status in town was.

Kenneth Steffen: Well I, I don't really know what seemed like the thing of this country. They had to be like, canned it and it came in the fall where it could freeze Ellen and the park that all the vegetables that fruit tree, they didn't have to buy a whole grain of it. Pretty cheap bag. I'd get much out of there, but they had their milk, you know, I had hay ground so on.

Kenneth Steffen: They, they raised tomatoes, sold tomatoes like that and some cattle, you know, like that. And then they, they made a little money and then, you know, but I think they did pretty well. Yeah, I know one time when we had a cow, we had a old red cow Durham County the held in Malcolm and that about a half a mile south always.

Kenneth Steffen: Now I think it's I think the son got the place and then the son in law finally like her friend live in town. Anyway, he just killed himself. Her daughter right here, out there on Mike Moreno. And you're over there now in the fall of the year. And they had just thrice had a big straw that you never see one of those droughts that can get a dictionary, you know?

Kenneth Steffen: Right. Well, I. And the boy, I had to buy them. Theodore and Fred, the kids. I mean, I was probably ten years old, you know, there I think we went there. They all came out there to holler on her. And a change of heart. Here come the bull. All right. They got to play an instructor climbing up and rolling down and so on.

Kenneth Steffen: I get and I lost a dollar there that I don't know how long we play with that. How many trying to blow up the cow, I don't know. But when she come fresh she had twins to bull twin cans back yet. Well that didn't want anybody had her out there. Weird union flag is that a common name and that's singer and their mother wrote him a letter and said they want him If you want to get him, grow up with it.

Kenneth Steffen: A buggy once in the very back had a place, I'd say that way, but they lift up and down. They knew anything but the two calves in a sack. Then he said, I can cut a hole for the heads and a way to tie the fact they couldn't kick their legs around and put them in there, their heads out and that man, because I'm always right.

Kenneth Steffen: He was a huge uncle of my father, but I married she got a but rowdy and raise those Yeah, but you had to get crazy to get me. I could get three gallon that every twice a day. That guy guy and lots of men. Okay. The thing that you know, I got to thing.

Sam Schrager: I'm going to obviously.

Kenneth Steffen: Drown news. Not news.

Sam Schrager: Okay. Let's try to finish up with how.

Kenneth Steffen: You you stay longer in that how long you want it.

Sam Schrager: Why does it just start? I think we have a couple of things I want to ask you more. One is when you say you folks separate, you know, Well, I, I know that in the early days to get divorced wasn't was frowned on people didn't like it was hard on people get divorced. Did you all?

Kenneth Steffen: I don't think so. I don't think that until a mother and father agree to disagree, that's all there is to it. He was in town so much and that dad was had a good quality about him in some ways, some way he didn't. I resent him to some seven or eight, although I went with him. I always thought he thought more.

Kenneth Steffen: He talking. Did your kids go to in bad weather? We walked to school to finish school and and heart is he didn't think much about a half and and just those little things like that you know had bothered me about him and I he could have worked his team more. He was a teamster. It didn't work because I was hungry sometimes a kid out that right now you man could have did a lot better see and I think medically Mary down I maybe do a lot better to see that you know you think back that time you didn't think about it you that I got me now if I haven't got to, you know, 50

Kenneth Steffen: or 60, Dorothy, a girl who had all the time, I don't feel happy. Am I kidding? Aaron? Hunger Day in their life. And I got all kinds of stuff here and a half. I got in a locker and everything. You know, I keep it in.

Sam Schrager: Well, did, did do do you think it was your mother's idea that she wasn't getting she wasn't getting enough support from?

Kenneth Steffen: I think it was it was time to support that mother come to town, did work, too. And I heard those kids have to, you know, like that. You have my grandmother died when grandfather were getting abused children and she died in 20. So we went down to live with him and he died in 34. See, I was a 33, 34 grandmother day.

Kenneth Steffen: Well, grandmother had cancer, too. And so when they sold this little place in the water, she sold and paid off his mortgage. So he gave her the plague and he died.

Sam Schrager: So she got she got the.

Kenneth Steffen: House that he had in town. I lived in that thing.

Sam Schrager: She got. She got the house that your grandfather.

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah.

Sam Schrager: What did she do after they separated?

Kenneth Steffen: What of Mother? Mother worked out them. Then she started to do a lot of laundry home. He would bring laundry and so on like that. She did that some, you know, and everything. You didn't have to be days. You didn't have to make too much money. You know, we all helped out the kids. You know, we help, you know, I think you do, you know, and I came back in 1937 when I took care of my mother for 19 years in the.

Sam Schrager: Was it was it hard, you think, for her to make it by herself? Well, it.

Kenneth Steffen: Was the first, you know, his our home. Yeah, it was pretty hard and I but it's say she she did it she did work I but she lived to be 81. Yeah. And she, she died at 81. She had hardening of the arteries and you know the big heart couldn't get the range of black blackouts. I worked hard with her back last year.

Kenneth Steffen: She lived before I got sister and walked in and took her out because she was able take care. But I. My wife died and I had this three little boy. She couldn't remember their names and go back by that they I so they we see she's all right. You know, hardly anybody stay there. That was a thing about the Christians in the Christian church.

Kenneth Steffen: You know, she went to that all her life here, Marcia. Yes. You know, I put a little bit in the kitty and the sun. You know, I gave her money. I think anything. But, you know, I never had it. One of the good old Christian souls, man, had come out and sat there all that time. And I realize, you know, and that way and I guess he he want to take my boy to San Diego, which is all right a little, you know.

Kenneth Steffen: And she went, I take them all and go get him. But remember this couple come out of the buy after mother passed away and the kids weren't going to summer. So I told her, I said her name. I said, you know, I lived about three or four blocks from where I do that. When you come over there, that's how she was, anything like that.

Kenneth Steffen: I had her hospital, had her in a nursing home, took her at home, did anything I could. Not one for going, you little Christians. no, I said. I let my kids grow up to say what they want to do. You got to go to any any church. I didn't.

Sam Schrager: What did your your father do after? After they said, no, he.

Kenneth Steffen: He ended up having a nice little place over Pluto and he did teaming around. They worked for the highway. You didn't take too much you know they go out to highway Whose team on a wagon a car next to me and there's a mercury in there. But eventually, when he got so bad, when he went to the county nursing home down a car back, you know, well, and they got all these properties he had there.

Sam Schrager: Then we you said you said he had good qualities do over what was. Well.

Kenneth Steffen: I think, you know, he had no schooling that his his parents had separated do and have two families, you know, and he didn't like his father either. And his father and my grandfather and his stepfather both very tough assignment. And I don't know, he he brought my father and his sister out here and the rest of the family didn't come it well.

Kenneth Steffen: My father, born in Springfield, Missouri, Illinois, Missouri. Yeah. And then my grandfather, I guess I told you he read about they went and used to work the railroads, you know, grades, grades. It was, you know, and so on.

Sam Schrager: Where did they meet your parents? Was it out here?

Kenneth Steffen: No. My father met in Kansas. It had them in Canada. Who in My mother were married in Canada. And I don't know my father went out here and went back and he'd been a he'd been a Teamster for the Army. No, he didn't belong to the Army in Minnesota. I think one day he met his family. He didn't he think and so young and his father after World War II that he was he was a Teamster on the Mexican border and a was in the army here name is then they like here.

Kenneth Steffen: You know, they had, you know, they 35, they were told it. But anyway and they think and found out they were brothers. So eventually they came here to Franklin was the last one. Franklin died over here restaurant Well was killed here in Mexico. He killed himself. I'm sure he did. My father in. And obviously, after anything, you know, he only had a piece of, you know, they killed himself.

Kenneth Steffen: But anyway, then Henry homesteaded down here on the.

Sam Schrager: Clearwater.

Kenneth Steffen: River crossing and gather some guy. My grandmother was well, again with her. She was a German woman and she couldn't speak out in English. She went Henry took her down there and they had a little farm digger heading over to. I spoke to some cattle in the army anyway, so maybe they sent in this kitchen table thing and I shot him through the window.

Kenneth Steffen: He got ten years. I did get on a few here and my father said Then he buried a work permit as well, and Henry buried over there. And then my grandmother died. Helen. She died. That buried her there? Yeah.

Sam Schrager: You said two of her kids died?

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah. They killed right there with you about her then. Then she passed away. They had buried her there. Now, it's been about 1910 alone. I don't know. I was pretty young. Then Franklin died, and then went and got him. Brought him there. That was my father. But he met down in Texas, down there. And he got acquainted. The family, that thing.

Kenneth Steffen: And then father died. I buried him there. We got a over there with a four brother and my grandmother buried, you know, went home and say, I take care of that. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: There's one thing I was going to ask you about. When when will die, that is. Did you say that that your grandmother went outside, waved white flag, you know?

Kenneth Steffen: Yeah.

Sam Schrager: What did she do?

Kenneth Steffen: Well, you see there was an elder, it was a creek. And I went through there. I told you in the wheat field, you know where the Circle K is out there. All that ground, that whole flat. There was a farmland. Yeah. We feel in there and a hedge is all there in that we had been bound like all those minor.

Kenneth Steffen: And as Shockley was hiding behind the house out of that hold it. So he come out way then you know that he was dead and I could see, now that girl wrote that book Know a hammer. The ridge said the three minute I and took him to town. It a crock of bullshit that I got my grandmother back to him, buried more, and then took him over there.

Kenneth Steffen: My father, I got the stone, but I know because I went over there with him and he put it up a pretty young Joe. What he argued over then and away.

Sam Schrager: I heard the I read that they were so they were so mad, some of those people in town that they actually took a bunch of guys, went over and they were going to move the cannon from the university over there and they were saying, You're going to knock the house down.

Kenneth Steffen: As much as shit jet fire. You know, Carl Smith knew him. And then there was another guy named Tom Cameron that no matter, he said he'd one hell of a good man. They did that. The only two men and I and I got on a topic knowing they didn't know any shot. Creighton Course, Creighton didn't say anything but Creighton come out and sound off and Kilcoo hit it cool and they don't mind I think.

Kenneth Steffen: But anyway they they were gone They don't know these and now they, they, they go back to the hearsay, they don't know shit and I know about it they, they don't I think my father come here then and he, before he was here before when he was here knew more about it, you know. And when my father I got the place out there they pay the taxes on.

Kenneth Steffen: You got a tax Do you think.

Sam Schrager: The taxes on the on the place.

Kenneth Steffen: Or. Well, they look at it he he was dead and my grandmother passed away. He they lived there and paid the fact that your.

Sam Schrager: Father did your father know will very good from.

Kenneth Steffen: Didn't know. No he didn't and little because he didn't It was okay Franklin. Introduce him. You then he did that way back east. You know what.

Sam Schrager: What did he ever say about Will was like, You're.

Kenneth Steffen: Right. No. When he was a kid, he didn't. He never said, You never talk like that. And I guess my father is speaking German and my mother didn't German. We had all this kid. I don't know why she went back Anyway, in the unit. I went that way. That old German people around country and I didn't rattle off German like that with his father in the barn in Germany.

Kenneth Steffen: He spoke at my in February.

Sam Schrager: And other German.

Kenneth Steffen: No, no English in English and Scotch. I think I know.

Sam Schrager: So your father. So did your did your father or many of his friends German.

Kenneth Steffen: He knew people then, I suppose. I know out where I as well. I spoke German, so tangible German with him a lot of people back in know they can. They make a few words. And I know the people here in town. There's a woman crying the name have to well, the man he was speaking in a panic, the wife.

Kenneth Steffen: He could hardly get anything out of her in English. She couldn't be spoke that, you know. But both him and Martin, the old country, come here. No, I don't think their name rang. 33. The name was. They're both dead now. I know he's dead. I don't know if his mother's blinded or not. I know the boy. The boy died in World War Two Veteran The girl that taught school up around Bonn is very into her mother up there one time living here.

Kenneth Steffen: I don't know where the old lady's labor or none of it. She didn't speak English word, but damn little. You know.

Sam Schrager: Who who were the kind of people that that that used to pass time? I mean, was mostly just Moscow people that did farmers loggers using. Sure.

Kenneth Steffen: It was lack of employment. You know, they had four men sitting outside. The guys come through in the fall and come along. They wanted jobs on. You know, when I said, what kind of land you got, all the farmers kind of rolling their own in here now, Jack And boy, I had the now they go out and work shocking grain work through that and then local people got the job.

Kenneth Steffen: But, you know, a guy who traveled back and I used to go down dusty through there and Howard as a kid, and I was about three weeks ahead of us. We get through to up here getting maybe 35, 40, 45 days, you know. Yeah, yeah.

Kenneth Steffen: What's his name? Getting hauled out. Hey.