Latah County Oral History Collection

Emmett Utt: Or look like the puppet government got the people down on a big con. Not true. You know how to do the German blackouts and drivers are nothing but pigs and all they would wasn't even Hitler. Because you know how the propaganda goes. It was almost to shoot a German one time and just like, go out. You'd think more about going out and shooting a bag of wood, wrap.

Emmett Utt: I know how propaganda can get people to look away. Well, from the Wobblies. Why do all the newspapers full it and just watch a terrible thing happen to the country, To the newspapers? They like to say they have no strong organization. I don't know. A secret couldn't get no part. I didn't know who was who. And I didn't know the higher man or the higher one.

Emmett Utt: Whether they were.

Sam Schrager: But what was it like in the in the community, like around around Princeton, here, among the families and there was it was their real hard feelings one way or the other. Yeah. Whereas a family, they're going to be sort of pro or against or well, keep shut about it and not want to say anything for fear that they have what.

Emmett Utt: Yeah. But do a lot of talking then. Cause like I say, you know, some farmers move through a lot of burner. Well, not different, but somebody's got to figure out I'm a little entitled to fire out of my little while, you know? Well, you know how it goes with going up around the country and flight regimes like they do by guys that put dynamite wood bottles and bottles of grain on I one to throw it into that machine.

Emmett Utt: I got about an hour to get the genders right. So we bang, blow it up and then got hot as hell and I might put spikes in the ground and put a male in that gun. But no question about it. But that gun sounded like it would blow up or anything. But you're left with that was like that.

Emmett Utt: And that was a way don't guys work and go 12 hours a day by goes for a dollar a day or something just gobbled up by guys from the few vulnerable out of the violent. But I got to thinking about the problem I got was to start paying more money and run shorter hours, a couple of hours out of 10 hours.

Sam Schrager: You think that it had it had an effect in the farming country to everything.

Emmett Utt: Everything that was working women for nothing and giving them no living quarters and all this terrible way that working men have done in early days, it terrible, terrible. Just couldn't do more as a lot of good. Barbara to give a dog a better place a fluke by a guy given a working man in a barn bunkhouse to have a bar.

Sam Schrager: Was there much difference between the farmers now, among the farmers, there were there were there are some farms around here that could have afforded better to the men and other farms that were just dirt poor farms or what What was the difference among the farms in the world?

Emmett Utt: A farmer could have done better. You'd like everything else, you know. They can get a man to work for nothing. We'll do it. I believe that man did work quite hard enough to set him on down. Run down himself. Getting other guys? I don't know. Did a lot of hard work, man. And I don't think the farmers feel bad at all because the farmer sell it well.

Emmett Utt: See, the whole country would have taken a machine to go around the country trashing grain and all of them guys, they got hard on them guys, but a lot of machine got Rimrock, some farmer that got into a farmer where I got my food barn, smoked. What was the farm bill burned? I know what I do, but I want to burn up.

Emmett Utt: Well, Mr.. I don't know what to blame it on this time. I'll quit.

Sam Schrager: Movement was a prime form of play for youngsters in the early days. And bicycles, horses, sleds and skates and later on, motorcycles, recalls Emmett, a tales of a boy's adventures in the Princeton country. Then he describes his grown up work as a sawyer in the Potlatch mill.

Emmett Utt: Maybe we had one lot more.

Sam Schrager: Well, maybe we talk to up.

Emmett Utt: Well, you get all hooked up with the war.

Sam Schrager: Well, going that way. I just want to start talking about the old times.

Emmett Utt: Yeah, one more time. Over. And so many of them, I didn't hear them or.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. Seems like there's a lot more that had gone or the other year or.

Emmett Utt: but I guess you got the road.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, I got a tip. Guerrillas back don't got a.

Emmett Utt: So you got a map and maybe I can come.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, well, I wanted you to tell me short stories about when you were a kid.

Sam Schrager: Well, you tell me about stories that happened to you when you were, you know, just a boy.

Emmett Utt: I don't know if there was a way. We used to live and a do nowadays, I guess. You know, we lived up on the hill at the, about a mile and a half. About Beautiful. Quite a You live there. It was. You know, I wasn't something that you want to go get a haircut as a kid I just go back.

Emmett Utt: I would drag off and I'd run that way. The big road. I go left, walk back home and everything that no matter, I guess, you know, it's just good exercise. Now, I got grandkids over here. They wouldn't you would have to walk out of prison, get something. No, boy, I have a very good old in back now. I just will walk.

Emmett Utt: But we didn't them about it, you know, just like like geisha. But, you know kids might have lived up here. They've they would have they moved up here when they started building that town. That was all me lived there and tried to build it up. And I got me a new bicycle that broke so bad, guys, I could hardly wait till it got drying up, up in the hills.

Emmett Utt: You know, there used to be a jungle, you know, where in the time you get out of Harvard, the way I got through the jungle, cleared out the all you come in a little pallet and don't go back, back in the jungle with you. You wouldn't believe it. Little black hat now bobbled out of the jungle all the way through.

Emmett Utt: But nobody live there. I don't know, 20 miles or better through the whole road. We would not be over or just above the creek. Just right down the hill and walk up. And it was about to move up right now, heading up the hill. And I don't know, I didn't think that was really good. Covering that jungle in the dark.

Emmett Utt: I'd been through there before Liverpool when they used to get the vision, but you know, they go for a little wagon coming up to the couple three days to go down. And I've been through there before, but I didn't want to get caught by jungle so I didn't. I stopped and burned it for a glass of water and I should have gotten somebody.

Emmett Utt: I got that group. I did, but I got somebody caught in the boat. So I got my hike. Well, I got out all the way. No, I will do for you. But poor guy, they passed me and you know, and them out and they didn't get very far ahead of me. I'd go on the bike and I go down a hill and they're making just the heck of you know, I got beaten.

Emmett Utt: I could still do the best that for the hell of it. But they laughed us to leave the mountain. Well, I just about run out of state back. That's I believe in the and I know it was a click to about it just run. Yeah. It might end up on the mountain but would not take this road yellow And I walked that road going out along the creek though with my mom on from that finally I feel real big a turn.

Emmett Utt: Go across the bridge and then started up the mountain. You could see it from the side of that mountain. That's what they called me the mountain that day. And I thought, Boy, I just go have a drink that over.

Sam Schrager: I don't remember it. Well.

Emmett Utt: Anyway, I went down, I think I had the whole open over to drink. I got the yellow water that took a swig of it. I that made me feel better. Well please don't worry about then. I got a bike. Really? Across the bridge of the mountain. Those climbers just close while you look television. Well, like a whole lot me.

Emmett Utt: Well, the break was like a military, and I got to have the wheel, the bicycle all the way up that mountain. I got very well with Rocky Mountain Run coverage. Well, by gosh, I just couldn't I had to get something to show about it. Talk about to bit about down I go further up the mountain is my husband finally got through all talking about me but the code piped up and Huckleberry screwed by my book Music in my life.

Emmett Utt: So I know I was wrote about the guy when I got out of the went left over to you at that car, getting ready to go home. I really went left overnight and moved back out, but I had a couple of sandwiches. it's very important to the summer is amazed to find out where I come from last year so and where.

Emmett Utt: So that was quite a shock. No, I got something in the stomach. Then I have to get top of the mountain pretty well. Downgrade, you know you way down and to be willing. My God got I got my back a5i really well well I got you know there were I had lots of time you know at one time the summer time.

Emmett Utt: One time for dog here I got so I got in there four or five like that. I got some of the low road I didn't make do by the time dirt road does the work or no gravel road all the way up an old dirt road all the way. I I'm a little bit more like a city on about four or five year old girl up here with a bicycle.

Emmett Utt: But I got to do better time will do by the time it was bigger. Up and down hill now is altogether different. Now you got out of overwork. My God, what was great All the way up the mountain, they got back, cut down now cut the whole top half of it down by the got to climb. Well, little grade now.

Emmett Utt: I think I could ride a bike right over that steep like it used to be, right at the mountain and over the of.

Unknown Speaker: The hill road.

Emmett Utt: I don't know. Kids don't do them like by the other kids. But those have bike right. Or any sun but those four or five or six I would pick off. Well where we go I'll go to maybe go for you Moscow. Great. About go back and that's long way for a motorcycle you kids That's it kids got motorcycles but the mushroom that well we've kids the bikes legal speeds didn't have a bike somebody although it did have a three speed.

Emmett Utt: I know you live above the Yeah she got several buck I think but she drifted speed. She you got one of my other old ranger signals the little hill out here where there's cut down now a lot but it was you know they got pretty steep back on the side but now they cut it down. But you see, you got their ways and all went to just turn up and over there.

Emmett Utt: Well yeah that's Logan second gear in had gear. So we got an argument like kids do and I pretty stout and my legs at this and I would have really bad guys knock it up you know so we got up the hill turned up I no it was back again. I'm living out here, you know, you couldn't do it.

Emmett Utt: I let me he was kind of a screaming legal battle. We wouldn't do stuff, but we had a little girl who still couldn't get the mother's. But they got that rubbing when they put that thing on. How do you go? You you can take off and move your 35 mile an hour by pedal one in the industries that we were due to go cross-country to Denver do now turn right down at the bar world class.

Emmett Utt: I look for that right away. My dad was in the car and I traveled like a penalty, drove up 35 mile an hour whether he you did.

Sam Schrager: Pretty darn.

Emmett Utt: Good. But I was I was right but I was really quite a Obama through my mother according to speed. I don't know how I felt like.

Sam Schrager: Once you get a bicycle does pretty much use a bike instead of run.

Emmett Utt: yeah yeah, yeah I had them know they were my I had to walk. I would love if I had a bike right now. Usually I'd have a couple seven horses all the time. What time it right to travel over with them. Summertime would turn the horses out of range to back them by field. Back you used to call the range, but no farm ground.

Emmett Utt: Now that the country back that nobody lived like the poultry was or the horses out and we wouldn't get the horses, but go. So could be the driver. The little buggy signals jammed with no single horse up there in the wintertime. No. I would pick up body of the bug and put on a little cutter, just kind of run the body off of that 101.

Emmett Utt: Portray it again. What about. I don't know. I wouldn't trade my life. And they were kind of though I'd give my they would be offered a lot of rookies nowadays than we used to have.

Sam Schrager: Kind of like there's more excitement.

Emmett Utt: Well, I don't know that just Michelle discusses what young people nowadays whether do we we used to have to do for you know George No there was no code in the country. my God. What 12, 13 year old? I become a little guy over approaches. but you had the first target, the town, or would you ever know of the people used to nickname every morning which used to call him.

Emmett Utt: I wasn't thinking about it his work all week, but I got to take that role. What I come back work on about a week. Yeah. And that did not happen in the beginning and every morning, which.

Sam Schrager: Was a very good mechanic. This guy. he must have been the birth mechanic. Any country.

Emmett Utt: Well, I suppose you had to be somehow that mechanic. I don't know. I didn't have any garages around in boot, so I guess you just. Hey, where I go? Well, I don't know. The the first car I know used to be a guy we lived by. He had driving horses all the time. Well, he had worked part of, you know, a whole group blew up, you know, with a rural company looking of Great blue.

Emmett Utt: You want to go to places that were pricey. You could drive your hard drive with you, boy, You know, you had a little baby boy. They could just take off and make them all. But you're tired. You're saying, you know, So that's of the driving horses and the way we finally got a multi for the whole package. But I got the second car coming in the country.

Emmett Utt: I think a lot of people used to be crazy about cars and people go miles apart, You know, I know when the first car they were followed by a guy who put some guy down there, I don't know how they owned a car that had been written about three and a half to the police. I got to see that they cut and I got it back up in 1929, Dodge to come up with the first six cylinder car, but a colorful Dodge victory six and they've always been for somebody reported reported come out of it.

Emmett Utt: Well Judy got a hold of Dodge outfit and they've come out with a Dodge Victory six and they are retired. I retired, but they're going to have one in Spokane. I didn't go up. You'd be surprised how many people go through Spokane and see that new Dodge and the biggest one ever for that and bring the monster down with them.

Emmett Utt: She used to work food. Probably. The people were, my. Sure was. But she died when had the were not brothers and they had nothing more than a dog knew. They just couldn't read them. They wouldn't do bad on the highway roads and in the mountains they couldn't get they would not lose track with anything else, you know.

Emmett Utt: And then the dude got hold of that road I didn't talk about. But most of Dodge kept the name of Dodge with the brothers. Well, first thing they done in the past is for the matter of my car, after they all died, Brothers practice for America and still worked on the carrier, but the treatment of that body wasn't too good on it.

Emmett Utt: It didn't last long. I'm 28, I'm 29, six four, six. I would come out with. That was a real living and I kind of loved his reputation for grew up in the thirties, some place to come up with a well, try to take it over and try to put up better car.

Sam Schrager: And so the cars came in real slow. At first there was only one.

Emmett Utt: And then in the back of the woods.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, that's where I think you know.

Emmett Utt: Yeah. They all went, but my dad, well he got 1940 then they were public and hey, we're going to the car, you know, if I could afford one private car.

Sam Schrager: When was it, when was the first car. It was first guy.

Emmett Utt: Well I they 1910, 1911 in that old guy. Hello. We have them out. I don't know what might be 13 I think when I Greg that one with them they've got the mass produced and I don't think I don't know about your first home in 1970 really. I remember.

Sam Schrager: Until we traded six horses and down payment we traded six.

Emmett Utt: Out of them.

Sam Schrager: Is everybody. Most people go like that three, three horses for down payment. It was, it was a rough to afford a car around here.

Emmett Utt: Well and people don't have much money, you know it was cashmere and I don't know if you have horses recalled why they they have not been able to take a blow payment.

Sam Schrager: They everybody wanted I mean, it was it were just everybody thought it was a great thing.

Emmett Utt: Yeah. Well and it was probably, by God word to come out. I will be old man. How can we run a hardware store? And pretty well then they will leave. But how they afford that loose. So we've come up and sold him a multi board and I don't know we've long time Reagan on the control all the time you know drove around on the back or all all road just rolled around on the way over there I got over that and I'm just a little wide place and the road where they cut the bankroll and so he had to come back to run out of back on that.

Emmett Utt: I just don't like the back and turn around me without a boat out over the back. And he's got a shoe belt because he told it. But I got the concern. A lot of times he's a lot bigger than I could. It was horrible. Things used to have to the or buy guns. You can have any color you want.

Emmett Utt: Long black and we promote one one black. We used to joke about I mean you have any color you want to blow the black. Do they good? I approve them. They go, Mike, you could afford Ford over a couple of years to get a little bit better. Yellow will fly over better blue. The reality I tell all they go back and instead of coming back that's borrowed know you love is how old they go Mike.

Sam Schrager: How long do you delivery will stay with horses and.

Emmett Utt: All and they went out they got put out and they built the railroad up by the way. But. Right. In conclusion. Yeah. They built the road up in.

Sam Schrager: The railroads of six. So like, I.

Emmett Utt: Know they built the mill here in 1960, but they built a road from old Potlatch. And then after they got that far, well, and later on they went on top of the line with a Harvard like, next thing my late father was Harvard and then a right, a pretty good sized kid. They would build it. I would run up the line.

Emmett Utt: I know what drove up there on a picnic. One day they I played the whites. They had the big steam shovel organ, the door. How long the black car, you know, trains of work, transfusion of. Well, they got an impression that shovel big the family out the world around They'll pull back on the black car and I put them up there.

Emmett Utt: Well we looked at what the bigger three or you know we're going to that trouble. Yeah just up on the hill it all about the other sites where they were working when we worked on the contract cuts what they cut bigger or it was a big machine like way bigger than much. And that big machine were turned up.

Sam Schrager: I heard you were like. I heard you were like that. A lot of Italians and Europeans at work on the.

Emmett Utt: Real crew's bigger. yeah. A lot of I them. I know when I was a kid, we live in up here on the river up here. Little river or what have we. The hybrid, though we live in there by Longfellow Road Track and they go got killed down there. The train come down in the mid to late tried to get the hang higher up the track.

Emmett Utt: Well four or five of them but when it got right down big and my old rhythm got the heck out of the road the other guys other uses get ruined believe they can save the bank or train at the home. Can't Good. And so sometime after that couple I've had in the company old country we have brothers I think and they come to our house what know all about the detail but how we got killed and everything that I know what I think what I'm trying to tell them because I could not good to.

Sam Schrager: Why they think your house where they pick your house to find out you live.

Emmett Utt: Right there what actually happened which was on a little mobile there and then went through that part of the house and all about a couple hundred guys above that for the active happened. So I remember my dad, we went up and I went with I'm sure it will happen up and I don't look good. I didn't see where it happened.

Emmett Utt: But in the way you're talking about, they show them what had happened. They seem to be satisfied. You know a lot about the bills, but they come through the middle. It just to get the details of so. yeah top wire top way. I was just so high above the snow that late on that sled they could lay up and try to go slow and when my head and I hang up, everything I just couldn't go under them was going slow and just laying, you know, like the biological invalid.

Emmett Utt: I hang up. Well, they were alive, but I went through there, come down there like a bat out of here. You know, I went through both of them like that. And I never even thought because I had just blown that I guess was going to pass. I stripped out. That's the truth. I go, I went back out there.

Emmett Utt: I scared to death. I finally got it done, you know? Let's go ahead, girl. And then we have seen that boom. I just flattened on that led and nothing happened. So I figured, well, I better get my head up, look up, and I didn't want to read it up because of my wound was rolled. So I don't have a quarter, brother, But I go, but I really don't know what I was looking to do with that.

Emmett Utt: And around the corner and stuff happened and I went over there. I tried my best to wearing the same clothes, but most of all, and that's the best I could do it. I just and I go down through this low and I'd hang up. Every time on that happens. I it was no happened. Lord life in there someplace little girl watching Lord or the coal kids I guess.

Emmett Utt: Anyway, that went through, but not this one. I went through to them and they were even probably that was that well at that moment, but that high above the guy. Older man. No, no, no, Papa. I didn't go over it. I had to go under.

Sam Schrager: Those like you ran around a lot when you were a kid and.

Emmett Utt: Wonder who ever lived over revolutions for done right and button horses. None of us with photographs have more guts and brains. Most of the time I and I their lives and I did.

Sam Schrager: But I scared you. Told me you. I scared.

Emmett Utt: yeah. Well, you know, you've seen kids get on those people. My you used to go and get on the river. Well, I think I told you about that, but I tried to pull back from another kid.

Sam Schrager: That was the one I want you to tell me.

Emmett Utt: I think otherwise it just.

Sam Schrager: Tell me that one again. I like that one.

Emmett Utt: Well, anyway, the older was one of the younger kids, you know, and so they all cooked up a plot about my brother didn't pick on somebody like me. This kid down the river, this guy did way down the river and pulled out down there and was getting back up and had a big barbed wire over here just above the bridge of the river.

Emmett Utt: But it gathered all 35, 40 people gathered there. Nice notional, dark, you know, way above on dark. I don't know. It just intuition happened. I don't know. But anyway, it was coming back up. Well, all we had gone is a bunch of guard ducking top the big hold across the place that we escape or not the really white mirrored up lounge over quite a job and I didn't know nothing about.

Emmett Utt: Of course, the guy down there with you knew what was going on. So we got to the race coming back first, get back to the barbed wire. Well, this kid is just button up and put in to be someone like me. But this time you had the lid on me a little bit, but I was almost beaten side to side.

Emmett Utt: But the guy with us before you got that. But we've got all that good like go. Well, I don't know what, I couldn't see that, but something told me and I give a joke and I jump through that hole and on his case went on. But the other kid, well, you wouldn't even look. And he was getting a tongue that I and see if I had a game on him or not and his kids I don't think.

Emmett Utt: And you couldn't see it and a Dark Knight wouldn't do like that. I don't know what made me do that. The last minute something hit me, I get a big jump, I jump. That whole land almost gave the other kid I know could make it, but I would have been on. That is never like me after that. You know what the hell he gets me because he's not.

Emmett Utt: I was in on that to give him and I wouldn't have jump the weather, but not like America. When I got that, Let me just say it was not. But give me the jump when I did did he went into it so he he blame me for that. And I don't think you ever be good. I tried to play it, by gosh, what?

Emmett Utt: Or I went down. Are you done, Pullman? And I don't know. He's having trouble with his wife too. But his root beer pilot friend of mine told him, Where you working? So I went up there and went in and sat down there and he come up and one what I wanted and I thought maybe he'd recognize me and he didn't.

Emmett Utt: So why do I told you I was always said, yes, yes. You went to, to wipe it off the counter like I wasn't there. I got him about my business. I don't know who that was, what I'm saying. They got no answer to it and my wife would feel that would have seen him for years. His assignment was on the horse to play with me.

Emmett Utt: Going to ride them cowgirl time. I just ran him a lot. I don't know what kind of goods if I did feel that way, you know, And I recognized him. He looked older and everything. I hadn't thought of you that I went and I told him probably who I was. He just acknowledged and went on about his work.

Emmett Utt: Sure.

Emmett Utt: Of that. I haven't seen him since. What would you do a case like that? Well, you could do, I guess you could do. He didn't like it, though. I don't know. They still held a grudge. Grudge against me on the kind of on account of I business or not. Well, he was on top of his news when I told you about.

Emmett Utt: Yeah. The truth be like I the singles beat me. I pulled him on that little loyal competition between him. He just wanted to like me. You never could have You get the best of him. You had to be better than I was. Or always competition.

Sam Schrager: Was it just between you and him, or was it with him and everybody?

Emmett Utt: Well, like I after about, you know, didn't that shows like he doesn't want me that would bet them on anything. I know we had two horse right and I have a brand new saddle he's right and Burmeister you want to write my travel the way your SO was coming down off the mountain doctor and so I was riding my bike ride My saddle will always reason.

Emmett Utt: So anyway, we come down off the hill and we come down opposite went down a little little hill here and then down and then up another hill we come down off. We really took off. Well, I used to ride and whenever they got to talk, do you know. Well it wasn't round in the race. Well he was ahead of me and he was looking back very well gain on him just as you went down this, you know.

Emmett Utt: Well, what we didn't know what a bunch of cattle loom about rode that over this whole or tell you that a cowardly cowardly that's on dusty road I lived just all over the world there. Well creek like I'm over the hill I seen them cows but we didn't have of that road down here to go you know we ride among them.

Emmett Utt: Well you look back and see if I was getting, I mean, well over the hill and horse among them called the Carnival tried to get up about the same time. And so help me, that horse. But in no real you trying to complete damage that my name down and the land on his back on my news out and that's what would have helped the side of the road not the amount that you finally can do but I wouldn't tell you talk to these want to both run that horse.

Emmett Utt: And so I told him I wouldn't tell him, but it was pretty bad that chicken that. So we had the pull around a quarter mile and boy went home. So kind of get beaten up boy get home going door to door. Let me work my family the horn and on the cattle back here, you know, horses depended on that fat got a letter off of the horn and kind of got liver on the well a little bit on the cattle back there.

Emmett Utt: I look at me viewers and him getting hurt. I knew I would getting that. I don't know. You're a little overwhelmed, man. He was just a weapon. It hurt and looking back and his tongue hanging out and going and when without that kind of little over the road, talking about a commotion that then the complete Somerset how that kid among them crowd and everything you didn't get it do okay.

Sam Schrager: How about this story that you told me about riding the motorcycle up and down the tracks that time? That's another somersault story.

Emmett Utt: Or wasn't a track on the main road during the sawmill down there. I guess that's the only one I can think of when I read about Run the Train.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, that's the one I. yeah.

Emmett Utt: Yeah, I told you that.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. I wanted you tell me that when I gave you notice that bothered you put down before.

Emmett Utt: All the way we come out of the mill noon hour and we both went up, up and down. That time down at Potlatch, we go home and dinner. Well, I rode the motorcycle and he'd been usually right with me all the time. Go up and come back to work noon hour. So we got out there and just about ready to pack the motor up.

Emmett Utt: I guys and train was coming back and down, switching and switching back down and going to go out across the crossing where we had to go to get out of town. And we used to come to die in vain that we were going to be held up. I took a look out and also the line for the boat, the crossing up, coming down, really pretty lobe moving right along.

Emmett Utt: I could go on with a bit to them. So anyway, I think I'll do about 7075 second gear and I would for only about a quarter of a mile I guess up the tracks. Everything going all right. Outrun the train. But the 100 right before I got the tracked down Hound Dog Walker. Bird Walker used to walk up and walk back and forth.

Emmett Utt: I don't know word come up on that walker photograph the road there. It was just bigger daylight, you know, But going that fast, you got to turn motorcycle too fast, you know. And so he was kind of frightened. Well, I thought, well, if he just keeps a go behind me, I live out time. I thought that is, and goes with the motorcycle.

Emmett Utt: You look at it and you run you. And of course, I seen that dog top and I looking at the dog, Do you want to move or not? Boy, if you look at the motorcycle, you run into it. You go there, you look at that dog. boy. Well, of dog laying out there about 50 feet away from the road.

Emmett Utt: Well, about him, that motorcycle. Yeah, just like we're going in orbit. And I remember getting off of it. And then I must have remember, I don't track I was about five or six kilometers crossing. This was about tracks. And then but for the crossing we blankly. And that. And they would make a big fight. Well, dry weather makes that hard on a flash.

Emmett Utt: And anyway, I was going to have that motorcycle in November, but just going around around the motorcycle behind me, going around, around, we just went clear across the right. This was the day where we all come to a stop. Well, you still straddle a motorcycle. Yeah. you guys. Legal chewed up pretty bad equipment. Have, but I wouldn't hurt anything.

Emmett Utt: They got out of the motorcycle off of him and. But that. That car stopped going to take us up to hospital At the hospital in that little hospital. And so I helped him off. We got the motorcycle set up mobile movement, and they stopped the car there and I got in the backseat and I gosh, I didn't like the backseat.

Emmett Utt: I didn't I had about well, I didn't wake up. We've got the have to move about a block above the hospital area so they will get them out of the car and get them in the house room and they will know if I've got, you know, I'm going home and all I've done through that type of chicken. Yep, I broke my wrist somewhere and I got my wrist brown, otherwise never even heard of it.

Emmett Utt: I just shaken up. Anyway, I went home and a pencil have tore off of me. I got them to a little and I don't like I lost my appetite. I went back down. I broke down cross country of the mill. And so they all that, you know, they had all stories going around and my God, boy, that we killed them when I was a kid.

Emmett Utt: I don't know what the heck I do like. I'm walking up the stairs in the fall of that group, they turn around the gorge cavern balls, you know, you go back to go work. They'll make them down for being or they're, you boy.

Sam Schrager: This wasn't the same boy that all these other things happened. And it wasn't, it wasn't the same boy that all those other things happened with.

Emmett Utt: No, no, that another guy. I don't know. He was an older man that was older than I was. But no, as long time he got to work with me was enough for him in a room of my neighborhood. Let's move on. And you do tales, you know, I don't know. They had a tale going to tell my boy about my motorcycle and where the Joe Butler story you don't remember It were burned down, do you know?

Sam Schrager: I knew it was there, but.

Emmett Utt: It was a big well, a regular department store, hardware, jewelry and merchandise of old kind of regular department store and where they had big plate glass window that in front next to the highway. They go through. And I heard a story of fact on my telling, my gosh, how I went through them. Plate glass was a motorcycle. Most of the that I drove by, that wasn't me.

Emmett Utt: they get exaggerated. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: They were saying that it was you that did that.

Emmett Utt: I know everything else. I heard they.

Sam Schrager: Were saying it.

Emmett Utt: Was you. Yeah. I didn't tell him how I went through. Bartlett went to the motorcycle. Well, I never heard of anybody going through the window, but in a way. Or my son or not. Anyway, I did know that one afternoon I didn't.

Sam Schrager: Have you had other troubles, though, Besides.

Emmett Utt: that was the worst one. Had a car down there one time going might go down. You know how you go down that hill there. Well you know, by halfway down the hill that a concrete wall good up the street go to the other way there. And the concrete wall while I was going down a hill and car come up, turned up that street.

Emmett Utt: Well, I never thought about nothing. But, you know, it wasn't very far from the road that that wall I let it go. A loner about that time, my fault. Everything was clear. Never thought about nothing coming. Car backing up my highway back right. Even brother me and my and I landed on the broken and the car come out and was beaten Turned up this way Well route motor went straight ahead.

Emmett Utt: I could have killed him, but I tried to turn. You have a backup. So anyway, I had the motor leaned over this way on the slide and I slid into the side of the car and. And I broke my foot up a little bit.

Emmett Utt: But the damage done to me. Sure. It make my bike. I don't know. It twisted to the mind and it never did run right after that. You know, when you get the frame twisted, we don't crack. Go down the street. When we were out back, we run off to one side a little bit. They just don't have a lot of food that way.

Emmett Utt: It's a little bit leery, Right? So I just quit, right it.

Sam Schrager: And tell you about your hell raising up at Harvard with the with the motorcycle.

Emmett Utt: boy. You never did not know. another kid. No, we had a with the two of us that father got brand new. How did a 74 straight you? We used to run together a lot. Bruton had always looked like a bad and that was back, little brother. But he's lived up there. And so we rode had my little dot brick part of it.

Emmett Utt: We wanted to go to pop. When we got back out there with a bike, a whole bunch of them, his teacher laughing and making fun of me, everything. And one big old guy weighed about £300. And he says one thing about it says, If you can't ride where you want to go, you can pack it. I said, Yeah.

Emmett Utt: So I just put my bike, moved over on the side. I told him I used to have that back friend who is You didn't do it right? If you think about how steep it, move ahead, load up. Is it Just try to lift at the moment. I mean, weighed over £600 and you got to hold the handlebars. You're going to do that.

Emmett Utt: But we went ahead and he was all over the street and bike had him that happened. I haven't been on the. I told him well to give up the. How do you think you want to pack and the way they would give us laugh but the history of that time is the kind of a ballpark down the lower end of the street that, you know what, Harvard is moving down around toward the old people.

Emmett Utt: It'd be a kind of a ballpark. So we got to try it. We went down in a ballpark and turn around. I can't go back up there. They always got to go to street. Jim had about half my little bit about whether it was a proper horsemanship, so I told you I got them back. We cut loose and that guy was pretty quick.

Emmett Utt: They just fell about. We went through and then they just fell apart by guys like, like it was like that. We went through there about the 60 mile an hour was all about that for a while back home. Not too much. Got it on batteries. So. Well, we cut them side by side going up through there. We didn't blow down there with the last minute.

Emmett Utt: And then just like that.

Sam Schrager: There's pretty good rivalry between Harvard and Princeton kids, yeah.

Emmett Utt: Well, what about Dogpatch? A little bit quieter now, heck, you got.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, just about giving out.

Emmett Utt: You shut it off.

Sam Schrager: And I want to know about that. About the rivalry between all Harvard.

Emmett Utt: Really? They to get somebody older and I won't complain. Just a kid. Wouldn't that be going on? I don't know. Used to be rivalry between Potlatch and Kluge. You played ball games among themselves and a lot of rivalry both ways from Harvard. I used to play Harvard when I did. Then I would come down here and play the next and I don't know always from people a bunch of at the root of that.

Emmett Utt: Well, have a fistfight or two. Maybe a couple of women get into it and have a heard of a match. But over matter to the one girl we were married women up at Harvard. They used to take a lot of all the language you ever heard. They could roll that I never knew was in a book.

Sam Schrager: Or we'd be at a ball game or something like.

Emmett Utt: That. Yeah. Baseball games. Yeah. Woman lived with Harvard when that girl down here, they would have verbal contests. That's about to.

Sam Schrager: All the Princeton have a rivalry with Potlatch. It was.

Emmett Utt: All just Harvard Harvard blues.

Sam Schrager: Princeton, black and.

Emmett Utt: Blue. Butler. Yeah. They used to have their rivalries that opened it out after you. It same of Harvard. They all grew up.

Sam Schrager: With Princeton kids. They stuck with stick together in Harvard.

Emmett Utt: yeah. Yeah. More Or less. But I married a Harvard girl. So that guess what to do that, you know, she grew up at Harvard. One of my grandkids over there.

Anna Utt: You would you tell me.

Sam Schrager: The story and played hooky going up to Harvard and like that one.

Emmett Utt: yeah. Can we. Somebody made a crack about that. We got the Harvard trained come Drew Pearson just about noon hour, you know, going up the line. So we all it all fought. So we grabbed these bad guys and went over. There was a trivial clue about why we stuck out about the tail end of the catch on that.

Emmett Utt: But guys, I call it on and he just couldn't quite make it. I you couldn't make it to try to do but I'm afraid to get off so I don't have a Harvard Bowl of as well. Yeah and I run across a bunch of kids until Harvard was downtown at noon hour. So we all went straight to the bell tower.

Emmett Utt: Was our pub. We got to play hockey. And one thing I didn't like got time. Luella through the club come back down to, you know, and my guys are out of state and always somebody heard the little train coming down and great a Yale Yale drew man I to escape. So, you know, after you get how you know you feel funny to walk a little bit of what it felt like I had lived on a fever leg and we had to go down a track and I'm playing it with me and I had to get off by.

Emmett Utt: And then I took out it again and it went on that deep on top. And my gosh, I just run. Well, I didn't think I could run anymore. It just seemed like I couldn't get the wind back to pull out. The car on the back of it. Went back home. What had been pumped up behind you not even pulled out.

Emmett Utt: I couldn't have picked that beaten up, you know, I just pooped. I just couldn't put on the steam enough to caught up with it. And I just call it what you like about what I could do. A lot of been up against the wall about six miles down the track, but I didn't make it. Got back down in a ditch, Never missed me.

Emmett Utt: Well, I really felt like that was going to go. Will be the lab of the pigeon. I Never even missed me. So I got my left leg of the vocal. You know, the kid that would punch? Yeah.

Emmett Utt: We're gonna go away, We're having a go with your wife.

Sam Schrager: No, she's still here with you.

Emmett Utt: She must be outdoors.

Sam Schrager: Or maybe. What do you think the school Did you. Did you like school pretty well, or was it sort of a nuisance to you more?

Emmett Utt: I don't know. And some of it went wild and just like, I'm like, my gosh, you like the guy has a say on television every morning. I have a new one every morning, one over yesterday. Was it the all rehab final examination in school? We'll always have religion with all that prayer. we have final examinations of school.

Emmett Utt: We'll always have prayer. And what was me? No, I didn't mind school.

Sam Schrager: But I went to school. Or it is supposed to be so much of it, you know, I just never finished it. Just keep going and going and going.

Emmett Utt: Going. You never get through it.

Sam Schrager: Well, and I have now, if you're too long behind.

Emmett Utt: I do go through the cause. Well, back of my days and very few of my went to college. People couldn't afford it. People couldn't afford it. Well, to raise the kids will send them to college, get free meals on the table, do both. Role expected of parents and Sundays. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: You know how your parents came by this place, but they should. They got here.

Emmett Utt: yeah. Yeah, they they bought three different portables. Replace the bottles up, raised up on the hill up there. And he walked up. People never, ever ordered or he got a hold of it. And the guy who lived here had the name of St Ireland and before him was a triple perfect dribble. Now that month they start with, when I lived here, that body, the English back here after this place, the letters left for 40 left again.

Emmett Utt: So all about how it was they had to shell live with their bodies for 120 together. That's where you played this? Yeah, but I mean what was three different pieces? We all lived. You know, the boy got sick. I have pneumonia. I had the consumption, and then they they didn't do much about it. So they spent money on him.

Emmett Utt: And I just finally had that. They had to sell that idea if I would keep the door open. They later got down over the head and shall live with alluded they had a mortgage problem worth and got someone that take it off their hands. That's where you come by this. Yeah so I bought who were and then I had the 106 degree over on the mountain over here timber claim lady love to have a leg to go with that go back.

Emmett Utt: So I went back to go, I had to pay the back taxes on all 300 or more dollars and I picked up that plate and I kept I don't know, I'll tell you, I never did fight over it was one over looking for it could never find one. I knew that the flag and these guys who got or even got them, one of the head guys would pay for mills Labradors timber cruiser I think located.

Emmett Utt: And that's where you locate several times. But I did it to him. I want another one up here. But he sold it now that Timberland he sold out and I bought 120 acres from Potlatch. And you know, I do that, too. I'm not sure you guys have been married. No. So I got 260, 120 left, little 760 of that.

Emmett Utt: I get the love to get that over the logs. I got the timber already sold was log. It was running through that logged over. I'm going to put that up for sale. Get rid of it. And I don't know what they'll do with those people that get.

Sam Schrager: Here to your home. Yeah, Yeah. They're, they're guys that were around here homesteading. It really stood out, you know, as being characters to you and your guys. It stood out as being real characters real.

Emmett Utt: A little delusional.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. Of the homesteaders. And when you were a kid.

Emmett Utt: Well, tell you, when I was a kid, a lot of old Hammer coming home to way early. And as a kid that used to go up around up here, now round up to country and there'd be abandoned cabins, you know, and pulled up and left. You'd be all kinds of cabin in the woods, got to go in. And to claim that grew up on and leave motor showed up for Potlatch Mill walking shoulder to shoulder claim about the Potlatch.

Emmett Utt: no. Usually a lot of cabins I used could just be wood rats, you know, regret like Bubba's used to be. A lot of them up in the woods. I've been in cabins. Could use ride one time. Just good. Didn't have nothing else to do with that. I don't know. Real homesteaders. I don't know who was home. Do you.

Sam Schrager: Work?

Emmett Utt: Well, I think Butterfield's cottage, but I believe they were all.

Sam Schrager: I don't even mean just homesteaders I met, you know, among the old timers guys, it stood out as being characters. And you were the guys. It sort of had, you know, their own quaint ways of doing things, you know?

Emmett Utt: Now I think you're getting a little bit ahead of me. There was good enough for the time I got to be a kid big enough to, you know, to end it all out of the country and everything. Settle down. Yeah, yeah. Too much excitement I can remember.

Sam Schrager: When did you start working on the hill.

Emmett Utt: Like I did? And I started to work it down. I at the World War one, 1990.

Sam Schrager: What did they start you doing? Well.

Emmett Utt: Well, you.

Sam Schrager: Know, over your work.

Emmett Utt: Or. I don't know. I think I started out Bergdahl was picker majors. You know, they had the board that background role register. I got my first job and I got up to help him. Edgemont adds a little bit of courage about back of the brother real in or to me. So I had my sights on them. So when I got on the courage dog and then I learned to set right and I wasn't happy yet till I got the hold of the main problem, I let courage.

Emmett Utt: Robert code by us finally wound up playing poker, spoke about work. I was like, I didn't get to Davos. I saw night shift, you know? And then one day when the hills, I was rather that so much of a laugh, I understood the Davos. So I remember well, I a kind of come to a crossroads. You either to take the fly over and do that or David saw them.

Emmett Utt: And I just decided to go down over the dollars a day of pretty good wages. And do you know, $3 Hollywood regular. But nevertheless, I made my choice and I could I'd find it. And a lot of people say I made a mistake. I should have stayed with a meal. Millwood I don't know. I never, you know, millionaires ever come out of that mill.

Emmett Utt: I think we moved that apartment either. But you're kind of working for yourself, you know? How about looking down your neck all the time and to get through doing a day's work, you can look back up and see What did that look up the log back and will allow you work like all day and then go back the next morning and still full of love.

Emmett Utt: It just like I don't feel like you get anywhere affordable. Should look at the board going out to the wrong company and I don't know but it is that way You know you just go down there and read all logs all day and when you get it made to log back, double logs go back on next morning. I was like, you haven't done that.

Emmett Utt: Because he was visibly okay if it didn't bother you, there was the do a good job. Terrible. I don't know just to make local jersey Ernie only thing on how the heck of go I let they know that they were bothering but.

Sam Schrager: You know.

Emmett Utt: Working with the company store.

Sam Schrager: What what kind of skill did what was made a good sawyer I mean what would you have to do to be a good or what kind of skill did you get?

Emmett Utt: you would learn from experience. You start out like this. I got to go to back out as where you think you'd play well for five or 10 minutes every day in the morning and then pump out the rig, pump the water, other steam lines before the bell starts in the morning and you just get up and finally buy the guys.

Emmett Utt: Maybe you get pretty good and maybe that's why would get a better home there to work. You get harder to find. You get good enough where it starts, make the shift, give you a diversion.

Sam Schrager: What makes a good sawyer, you know, instead of a bad sawyer As far as is as far as the technique.

Emmett Utt: It all combination. You got to learn a great lumber. You know, you have a blackboard across the track from you up there, and they went from a thousand dealer by quarter number to carbon select whatever it is you got to know when you come to that in the log. I thought you cut that out. You know, cause now they don't really solve for grade anymore.

Emmett Utt: They, they move this all by guys just to get chips chip mill that look they just waste wonderful in the booth and don't make do before do stuff like that but otherwise I and then they haven't got the log by they really great log out like it used to you to get a big pile of like pay log.

Emmett Utt: Well there you take a tree you know the only to live on the south side of a tree and the other side of three. Well, Barry, you know, it wasn't certain if you lost in the woods, but direction to go by. You look at a tree over the heavy by the south of the tree. That way, you know where go north or south.

Emmett Utt: It's kind of like a covered well and they saw the cover in the middle. What you got to log by goes it round this part of the log here would be all much of the turning the log of the tree and looking down the log. Maybe there'll be a little part out here. Now, it and that part, along with your partner logs, is going to blocks and you start to sort of log here and saw in and you you all your saw way of that logging is absolutely clear a lot of no not but then you know I'd be all like lumber the selectors left and that sells for about maybe 20 $50 a pound

Emmett Utt: with the rest of this log over here that we just bought lumber and shop and just common lumber. But you get all the money off the log at Burger and then taking it to the cheaper lumber on the rest of it. But if you don't know it now, you want to know. Good. That's not a good file, Do you?

Emmett Utt: Just turn that log through. You get all little isolated I for it turn logger and turn it over. Maybe that this is the ramp up here like this Down here, it would be. Well, these guys here and have part of the board with this part down here to be master and just you know it. But no, you know how to get the kind of a log is judgment.

Emmett Utt: Well, that's good. But no, you got to look in the log. When you log, you turn this little circle of like, like log on outside. And you saw this light bulb thing for you ever tried to log and when to get all of it much grade in the do you just on boards. Well then got to be fast messed around turning the log taking half hour load log good enough you can learn that damn thing that goes back and forth.

Emmett Utt: I've never stopped have a long time ago. I know the one the blow they were going to stop it.

Sam Schrager: But it sounds like you got to be real good to do that.

Emmett Utt: Well, I think practice practice makes perfect. no, I got that program. I got good enough, like pumping the rigor on both in say the track is so 40 feet long, you got to move on your chin to try to reach over. And I got them there occasionally. I got good that one time I could pop that rig out wide open, go down that in and see when you honestly did you think like a guy with the open to go this what they call pushing the open of team up really go this way but you get kicked out before you put it back up you got to put it back and program cold and then

Emmett Utt: it will come back the other way. Then you got to get the other. Yeah, let it go. Get the cushion is run on the boot with the others. I got this big built in there. Probably sooner. But like the character going this way, way too. You open the valve, you got this valve back here open and it's a shovel.

Emmett Utt: And occasionally when you get it, come back. Well, you open this valve, and the steam point is in the back, which it goes back on board, and then you get it going. Well, look both ways, just like a back and forth. Well, then you go. You rig go that way. But the reverse. Well, the original just don't click the bumpers and then when it goes down the road and you click the box that you just put but you never hit the you had about that much cushion and a lot of blowback installed just a solid base that cover it.

Emmett Utt: Was there a compression chamber back there had a little hope of that would come out So then the car good cushion. AC I got something just popped that wide open and just put the bumpers on each every time.

Emmett Utt: And I don't know, it's like, turn your load, you know, like you look back and here you are in the room pretty well and you run out and pick the last two boards off. You come back wide open, you take the log lower back to log room before the coals you got back there, but log it, be rolled down onto the carriage.

Emmett Utt: The rig will be coming back. But you have a time got back and they would stop you there used to go and turn the logs. You had three blocks sitting there like this going back and forth. Well come back. Why don't you turn to log catalog back in Jamaica and hook it in between these two? You hit five of you look at him like those cards are going,

Emmett Utt: Turn political, turn them on the fly, and then infuse real good. Well, you could go back, by gosh and hook the logs here and hit here. That's what I call the tail motor guys. I run back. I know I never do that. So back to block. Look at all that. When they push, when they're going back and I'm blocking out the right and road, you nigger, you got to run the nigger up the whole catalog and get it back with it.

Emmett Utt: What is it if you didn't get the nigger back like, and hit the move so you got to through logs you logged, you got it. BLOCK going, coming back. Why don't you put the log in and drop the nigger back and then log of two? How ridiculous. You have to block that mix. I have heard it.

Emmett Utt: Yeah. You know.

Sam Schrager: What? Now, what's the difference between hooking on the fly? Hooking on the run?

Emmett Utt: Well, that's the same thing on the fly as what we call the move on the fly. But if you hook him in the back blocks, it is back blocks about that far apart. And an ex-boxer, probably ten feet apart from just like the way I hear the attempt. But here him just rolling about three or four feet here ain't got much room to work in the carriage coming back there, just like over the top of you know, you catch it right here and then push it up between these two large rig corners.

Emmett Utt: We all have to do it. But yeah.

Sam Schrager: But they were pretty the management was pretty tired about what they wanted accomplished. They wanted a lot of a lot of work, turned out.

Emmett Utt: you know, I don't care how far how much lumber your saw this old boy horror film or whatever conclusion they wanted to let down.

Sam Schrager: Well, who gave the orders was their foreman.

Emmett Utt: Yeah. And then they only had to please the foreman. My guys were getting cut out. But you had the piece of lumber. Good projects for everybody on down the line. And nothing was wrong. What do you do about slow down the line of lumber load on above average about everything went wrong. All destroyer fault.

Sam Schrager: So with the you tell me that you had to take some gaff. I mean you got you got people people complaining about this and that. Do you. yeah.

Emmett Utt: Yeah you, that takes so much and yeah, maybe it was all maybe four. So we're going, well one guy could lollygag and the other guy would go like, hey that guy lollygag he a friend of the balls or something he'd get away with. It wasn't a whole bunch of. I got a couple of them, you know. Boy yeah one guy going in lollygag but I got now to do nothing.

Emmett Utt: You have to educate to be back in the way to know about the good build that one guy to bring a down and most valuable nowadays work productively yeah full disclosure I used to work for I got to know how they got along and built a big log and you just feed it like you're going to break that sore you and ride it for him.

Emmett Utt: You know you're trapped on the street by goes and you go have a sleep. We got a bulldog and we took the rug out from under me one time. By gosh, I didn't see the superintendent come down in the mill. I guess you look back and see the super down as we went out the cup, I got that big wide open right quick to have me walk me off the gauge.

Emmett Utt: I wouldn't expect because you seen that super dope down there. Well, you see them guys coming out of the goodness all fast. You just drop that rig round up, you guys are out, you know, just jerks around. Really don't have to go out there to rig around. Just like lost. Right. The crew to go faster. And like I say, just to get out there and move right back this way and turn the log and everything.

Emmett Utt: And just all this guy who that ran back there and he just the rig around the log turn on you know, that would do that he was going like this is the way yeah yeah well you can the that to keep what they call pump rigging go like this if if people happened through the backup you have.

Sam Schrager: To do that like a like a car that's missing there. Yeah. Like.

Emmett Utt: Like I, I was only of through in a way I gosh. And I'm just this smooth. There's nothing to do. It would be going like way just pull the lever with learn to keep up through it and when you get ready to come back or you come back the same way you just go like this, you know. You know.

Sam Schrager: How the men get by.

Emmett Utt: And still never found out. Couldn't fire out of my house.

Sam Schrager: But had a box house.

Emmett Utt: Out of the back of convoy. Well, the back of my guys has got by fallen down in. And then we finally got retired and a little formula wall and they need the side right back. So somebody told them about we will come down and get him. Well, he never found it. People on that really good money like that's how they got by.

Emmett Utt: But he went up further. So he didn't last long. Just a little bit. And most of them took a look at him. But wait a short and you come down the bottom, come down and want to get me to drop out. Right. I quit, but what about fireman? You want me to go out for more? This can be two places at once.

Emmett Utt: You know, in my time down here Now, I wouldn't mind flying just for that one up over there. Like I said, you can farm by going to sawmill.

Sam Schrager: What was your job set? What did setting rockets amount to when you're sitting on a carriage that matches? What did you what did you.

Emmett Utt: Well, you're do all the making of lumber serious you got the block of three boxes for a lot of lays against and if you want to make and they they can't you know you won't but you go back a little log is the log until about back about 5 minutes I'll call you for having not like a slab of the alarm.

Emmett Utt: You tell you eight, eight, I think. Well, you turn a log over and you come out with eight in the quarter with the logs that you log camp. All right? And we control rated or six reporting. That's 21. The wild one was working on bass and one revolvers and that we want to avoid when you're trying to log up was better have just got them like you got to log so thick there you got more of them I just saw takes out the an age and you got to figure out you got to what to call the board room.

Emmett Utt: Maybe you got $30 here, but you could turn it over to last all and then he'll tell you what size counter if he want five or six quarter to age, maybe three, whatever you want. But you got to ratchet down what the college junction bar. You put it down what you want, cut off oriented three and just three and a half, whatever it is you got to not put down.

Emmett Utt: That was all. You got to pull the lever back and that much goes up. Do you know the oil is demon air set? But,

Sam Schrager: So. So you're supposed to estimate how you're supposed to figure it out? Yeah. You don't get waste on that long.

Emmett Utt: Got a more scientific down and don't tell you have Really. Yeah. You got to. It's up to him. If the board comes out then my job was make and you got all the combinations you got to keep in the back of your head. I could get nothing back Very mild. You'll be able to the combination with us all.

Emmett Utt: Like, you know, you got a log. I mean, take the slab off of face off of it if you want. 12 and a half. I guys to do five quarters. Well, you know, you got to fall cut, come out and you got to know so you can do five were about when he called for you to hold up a fight for each record and the all that up or you take up do all those you got to be on track can do more boy lot of talk about global average so I mean yeah otherwise you might make the like mad if you come out the other half have bad guys off and you have the

Emmett Utt: most. No. So I got a whole got to shave again take over have his lab over there and then we will have edge goes up through the mill but everybody sees the good so make twice that I know one time I reckon, but they've always it down. Everybody got to. Got an order from that. Yeah. Man. One of the what they call Exactly.

Emmett Utt: Squares. I think there's three and five is but two and two and a half or something. I forget the way you do it now that was really something to figure out and you get a big long and motion for all that squared. You know, how do you make it this way. Three and a half, three and 5/8. And then the other way, two and a half, I think it was.

Emmett Utt: Well, then when they got the logo squared up, you make that. Well you had laid down to three by race and you still had lower is the ninth was like on each one. But you had to have a pretty good idea of first draft of log. Well you know that they're off you know they would hang but they live and they pull that back.

Emmett Utt: Then you set up that much more and try out the bad hang and you have a bunch of margin. Well when you got down the block and had to be a divided field by, which like they're bad guys, really watching them wobble close, particular going to make mistakes. So anyway I then you come back and you turn that whole bunch over very gently and then you take them to that the way and everybody cut off, there'd be a whole bunch of them that squared going down the line and that would be another like behind it or squares.

Emmett Utt: And so I guys, you know what it was, I log to log that to figure out, I don't know I fell that job. I guess every time you get a log over on our leg and I had to show it didn't be a night but mostly for the wood.

Sam Schrager: What did they use Those wood? Those cutting.

Emmett Utt: I remember ramrod for a gun to go back. I don't know what that did, but I don't know. What did they cut that order for me? So many of them and up done squares they want to triple jump and I never did know what they used them for, but they had to be precise. I'm going got on the green train and I don't know how on the planet, but guys did.

Emmett Utt: But the real measure I would have with them.

Sam Schrager: What is a green chain?

Emmett Utt: Green chain?

Sam Schrager: Yeah.

Emmett Utt: Well, that's where the lumber goes out of the sawmill. It goes through their engines off of the boards and they're ripped, whatever they want to know that they do. When you come down there, they want to rip it mixed one restrictor. Then they go down, drop on the trimmer table. And when you saw a log that in the woods you made a little longer, like a 60 foot log, probably 63 inches.

Emmett Utt: And then if they got a bad bet on them or something, you know, when I go to trimmers on and they my cut them involved all 16 but board cut them down by a limit of them and then they go from trimmer on down to the Granger and at the big long chain up the mill and they all, they got a bunch of lumber piles and that's where they two before Gomer Pyle.

Emmett Utt: One was taking one another, one McCloud, one another. Pyle may have a whole bunch of guys on both sides of lumber off on different piles. And that's what you call the beach. After green lumber goes down, obviously, and then load there and take them over to the dry kills, which was like dried out Those, broke them, and of the plain replacement, whatever machine work they got to do on their own and make flooring and stealing siding, whatever they do is done over.

Emmett Utt: Yeah, quite an operation. Not should it? I'm playing a recording machine. They can set them up to make any time and groove or ship left, you know, I got together, set up everything just right then to get back to the boat, to go through the one at the handle and we want them exactly like where the ship left with.

Emmett Utt: I didn't do want to get dollar had picked up just major up there. Right. And they they were trying to do something the way they go when they come out it definitely like shotguns usually a big part of it.

Sam Schrager: No, I can imagine what it would be like, though.

Emmett Utt: Noisy. for themselves. And we'll get their heads. Sure. Noisy. Yeah. We're going to work around on them. Them as big machine earplugs.

Sam Schrager: You do fills that work in and they'll stick together pretty much. Did they have much to say to each other or was it there? I was working.

Emmett Utt: Sure. Yeah. That pile up pretty good. All They're just like any group of men. Some men nobody wanted. Anything to do with them. Other men by guys by a bunch of kids even probably takes his pants down. I don't know the general nature. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. They're just like they. And I guess as any other labor force.

Sam Schrager: I think that the guys feel about the management.

Emmett Utt: Men.

Sam Schrager: Yeah, I think that was a feeling. Management pre hostile or pretty.

Emmett Utt: Or management but All right, I know those quarters you get better supervisors when people like better than the other one but it isn't the management that raises take us to that gone to the bosses trouble you know you give a guy a little authority and you've got to know how they push the weight around and they're the one that controls the bosses mathematically no If you're going to take it to the management, you can usually get you to listen to your side of the story anyway.

Emmett Utt: But if the bosses raise a bell around the time, not the management, so much.

Sam Schrager: And when you say bosses, you mean like the foreman and the foreman as bosses.

Emmett Utt: You give a lot of guys kind can't stand this kind of a little, you know, authority, right? Got to drag the weight around and give them a little part and they got to wait around. And then the other one, you know, they got to pick people they like working on them and they wanted to pick on one. They don't know how.

Emmett Utt: It's about bosses control the friction around the plan. I think it works that way as well for me or mine or don't mean that where the tension is. A lot of people always say the management of whatever pulls it what women want. They tried the male down here and the that blow out of a lot of the men that was that moment I could do.

Emmett Utt: I didn't have no unions or nothing. You take it more. Well, stuff like that with management. But otherwise you get a group of men together, right?

Sam Schrager: Dues to get yourself in in hot water. It all seemed like you had some pretty you had some pretty strong ideas about things. I was wondering if you ever got trouble for being outspoken.

Emmett Utt: yeah. Yeah. That's a long story. And that's a long story. And I don't think I'll put it on tape, but I want out. Yeah, it come to a case where bad guys either I was mixed up with the management over the boss, the trouble, the management come down or one of was you going to be fired is the boss or me told me that just you just get the bottom wound up.

Emmett Utt: By then the boss can involve.

Sam Schrager: Yeah well you know I'm watching these things, but what was the matter and what was what was the guy doing wrong?

Emmett Utt: Or old Bo? That was a boy, son, boss's son. You got to shut down and you got to push me around and force me to quit. So some big get my job, too. And I just decided, I guess you want them to do it. So I walked back, got to the point where I went through the management. That's my orders to Raymond said, Well, yeah, he's going to get to the bottom of the racket, run in a little better.

Emmett Utt: I don't know why. I mean, long as the bad guys, you know, go down to the bottom, get his idea and come back and tell me if I turn out wrong. Okay, guys, If he's wrong, my gosh, that's all I want you to find out so that he would. We went along all that I wouldn't do. They'd call me up the office at the main office.

Emmett Utt: I thought it was going down the line. Well, the way they were going, I do care too much. So he said, well, he's I figured out who the ball service forward was, a bottom name and his fault, and I'm going to have to get rid of him. I don't know. Something Everybody's got to do their job. I told my story.

Emmett Utt: My gosh, I mean, I got to be done right? We were. So anyway, well, what a while. I don't have one day that blew up during the major up in the mill talking to the boss. He went down for the whistle, blew, went out when I was about ready to go out to Miller, who was sitting over to run down his cheeks, I had to kind of guess what happened and sure enough he got it.

Emmett Utt: But I don't. What was his fault? They just kept writing me all the time. Well, no, nothing wrong. My work, it was just like kid at his high volume kid back. You get rid of me. I couldn't do that. My job. And I was like, I'd be happy. Yeah.

Sam Schrager: And I.

Emmett Utt: I was going out for some matches around the club on the table and go through the door and that.

Unknown Speaker: And before I had to go through all that crap over.

Sam Schrager: My.

Emmett Utt: Head to marry her.

Sam Schrager: She doesn't, like the matches.

Emmett Utt: Didn't like matches.

Sam Schrager: Doesn't like these match.

Emmett Utt: well.

Anna Utt: Because you have to turn them over, you know.

Emmett Utt: All on the back of.

Anna Utt: Turn over to strike and then all that thing would.

Emmett Utt: Break and then it finally go.

Anna Utt: they went home.

Emmett Utt: Or they went home.

Anna Utt: See, he's got to eat. Be ready to go to work.

Emmett Utt: yeah.

Anna Utt: But he gets up at four in the morning, 430.

Emmett Utt: Four.

Anna Utt: For but time he gets home at 430. You mean.

Emmett Utt: Well what they've been doing all this time and nothing them.

Anna Utt: Well yeah.

Emmett Utt: No, no, I guess that would be my favorite maybe his.

Anna Utt: First week on that shift. It was his first week and you know how he always was rest then. Yeah. Changing shifts and then trying to push sleep schedule change bad.

Emmett Utt: I'm told we've been very very real up and get him.

Anna Utt: And he's having trouble now with that would the boards up there in the planer you know he gets a rash from the lumber you know Right. Russia Potlatch or I don't know what to cover wood rash or something.

Emmett Utt: Yeah, sawdust there.

Emmett Utt: I don't know.

Anna Utt: And she's got next week, you know, she threw us all her part.

Emmett Utt: Yeah.

Anna Utt: Ambition first and try to yourself.

Emmett Utt: What you're going to go and do next. Do not, darling.

Anna Utt: No. She says that she's going to get 15, so while stuff like that.

Emmett Utt: To bits bitter in agony.

Anna Utt: No, no, I turn the coffeepot.

Emmett Utt: I took a couple of my.

Anna Utt: Mother Tuesday morning and all that. I turned it on to warm about.

Emmett Utt: Well out of government, let down people around here.

Anna Utt: Well I'm always.

Emmett Utt: Yeah, yeah. What, what kind of thing. But do target me like you do and take it down to.

Sam Schrager: Yeah. Give it to me. And I like to hear.

Anna Utt: well I didn't know that and I got my own pay.

Emmett Utt: You know, Would you take a paper?

Anna Utt: But I couldn't think of anything to say. She asked me, know what my, my grandparents, you know, and strangle her. And there's lots and interesting things. You know, you can think of it, but not at the time you want to. You know, I couldn't keep going. Write down some things if I want to, you know, and then I always know what I want to say.

Sam Schrager: Her lawyer said that she wished that you didn't have to go because she wished that you been able to talk to her this morning because she thought that as as the two of you talk, you're really warming up to this. You're talking about it. Well, so she said that she didn't feel badly for having to read.

Anna Utt: Long, long, long years ago. I don't know how many hundreds saw my grandfather there, Philadelphia, but, you know, Pennsylvania. But anyway, he went back and he brought out to me they all know those great big old bells, one for the church and one for the school. And he brought them back.

Emmett Utt: Spangler and.

Anna Utt: Last time I heard, they were still.

Emmett Utt: There. There? That's right.

Anna Utt: My grandfather. I don't. I don't. I think he just they he used to go up town and bring all of them for bums or kids or not, you know, down to the hotel.

Emmett Utt: And grab at one hotel.

Sam Schrager: Owned by.

Anna Utt: His grandmother, throw them up.

Emmett Utt: And what was he done. Yeah. They the acre large panel there and some guy will do the waiting and where he drew that they can you know how old.

Anna Utt: That was in the other place. I don't know what supposed the name of those but I got it written down anyway. He had the farm out there that was wrong for the spangle. Well two or three kids got sick and died and they were buried over there. Well, then that was too hard for him to stay. So he turned that land over to a friend of his who would take care of the grave.

Anna Utt: But it.

Emmett Utt: All. But I read that it was just it was his final some guy where they had come through there. And anyway he'd come up and really know about flowers. It really that it was almost like a flower.

Anna Utt: Yeah. But he looked he was down, he got it cheap, you know. Well Spangle wasn't anything to make up.

Emmett Utt: For All you got to do, but that a $15 million, something like that. And we got the shoulder to some, like three sacred flowers. I mean.

Anna Utt: But they had the whole structure along the original town and then the Spokane.

Emmett Utt: Railroad, and then.

Anna Utt: They had the whole my way from when my grandparents first landed in state. I was an old bachelor there. No, he was an old master. You know, lived there. But in that respect, and that's where the town got a great the house I was born in. So that was four years ago.

Emmett Utt: By my old name after a guy who lived there by, well, like moving up here.

Anna Utt: And my grandfather was first man here. He was a carpenter. So he built how.

Emmett Utt: He built a.

Anna Utt: Lot of them. But for him to kill and grandma to work and, you know, it shouldn't have been right.

Emmett Utt: You showed who it was anyway. You showed who, boss.

Anna Utt: Well up because I could bring somebody in. I'm going. Look.

Sam Schrager: He's pretty big hearted.

Emmett Utt: Well, like Berea is named after all. Portland manager Don, who will build Erie Bowl in that old well, better, more built in the cabins than we want to build a town and bowl after you.

Anna Utt: Know, you my people elected Spangler the one from the cemetery here pretty full of on both sides so there's no work for them laser beam on thing.

Emmett Utt: All the time or done. I guess I told you I never have come. It all came. We're 93 years old. A bird down to Cottonwood. His granddad moved in and his dad and still kids and grandkids all live around Cottonwood, except when children live in. I guess where.

Anna Utt: I'm in here. Yeah.

Emmett Utt: I was right about all. About Cottonwood. Not is real bad. His granddad moved in there and the governor with his dad and the whole family and grandkids, everything all around Cottonwood yet except one sister. I think lives in part of we've got among them about ten years ago he got a really got some all time.