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IO: a homestead between Bovill and Collins, just about half-waybetween Bovill and Collins. And we started.going out on the homestead when we were in high school. That was always our summer trip. They took us out to the homstead and settled us up, and there we were for the rest of the summer. It wa a very nice trip. Wehad plenty of company around us. I always looked forward to the trip. My two little sisters, Bernadine and Marjorie, Marjorie was right around three years old. Bernadine was just dress them in what we'd say our pantsuits nowadays. That's the only way you can say it. I stopped to think "What would happen if some of the old church goers that went to the Methodist church and to the Presbyterian church and the Episcopalian church would s;tep out on their front steps some morning and see these congregations coming down dressed up in pantsuits" Would that be a surprise to them?
SAM: It would be
IA: It would be a surprise to them. My father put us on saddles, stride-saddles,as sooi e were large enough to ride a horse, hie always had horses. We wore divided skirts we went out one time with a man the name of from Clarkia run train from Clarkia. out. into the Forty-flfine Meadow country and back into the Grand Mother country and all of that part of the country over in Avery and we stopped and had a meal at what was called White Rocks Springs. It was a very pretty little place. The white rocks I suppose were granite. It was.that white rock that was all through this section of the country. We had one horse that had this idea that when it was given something to eat he could do exactly as he pleased. So the first thing he did was to start up-hill bucking the pack off just as hard as he could buck. And he bucked and he bucked. started after him, but he couldn't catch up with him. The horse was always ahead of him. He tried and finally he said,"I guess we're going to have to use your skirts ,this time, gal.' Father took the back part of my divided skirt, and McPefC took the front part of my divided skirt and and we walked the trail following the horse,-we caught up with the horse, and unloaded my "cargo" back onto the old horse again. This time, he wasn't given anything to eat.iil he got through. Oh, they were mean things, those horses. We had one that we called... it was this old, what was the one that you wrote, the story about(askir)g her sister)
IA: Bob. Bob was the story of an Indian pony. McPefelkhad bought him from theIndiansjust for a jack horse. The Indians had run a race with him just a short time before that and lost. And the Indian, so disgusted with horse, that I bobbed his ears and bobbed his tail. Now, you know what that would mean to a pack horse. Bobbed his ears and bobbed his tail. Now, unfortunately,it he one that was chosen to ride the old pack horse out to Clarkia the next day when we came out and it rained hard. And a. if you know how rain on a horse's ears could go when he had no ears you could just imagine how-ft-horse's ears would work with that rain, trying to keep it out of his ears. It was awful. ... . And his tail was bobbed right short to his body so he was an uncomfortable horse. But he did take They aid not allow me to walk up the hill, me up the hill. So I had to stay on my horse, regardless of what happened. But Bob took me up.
SAM: Why would they bob the horse like that?
IA: The Indians liked their horses. But when a horse betrayed them, whenbetting on him with a bet ftf he didn't keep up his end of the line, he for it. That was old Bob. He was a strawberry roan, and a beautiful animal. Dust a beautiful animal.. And sure-footed, fortunately for mecthat he was sure-footed,because it was raining that day and the wood as trails just got very, very slippery.
SAM: Did you have much control over a horse when you were riding side-saddle?
IA: I didn't use side-saddles. We used stride-saddles. Dad said,"If you weregoing to ride horses, you're going to ride horses like men ride horses. You're not going to run any chances of any means." He said,"If you're going to ride horses with and go with me to the places I go, you're going to ride stride-saddles." So we all had stride-saddles and we all divided skirts. And the first people that saw us riding in town thought daddy was a little bit off to have his daughters riding around town on a stride-saddle. No one was riding stride-saddle. My .ther, she had a horse in Kansas and she had a horse when she came west. But she rode side. She was used to the side-saddle and she rode"'side-saddle. But mother had too many house duties to take care of on the homestead to do very much riding. We took some little side-trips around over the country, but she didn't ride the stride-saddle.
BAC: She was a good shot, though.
SAM: Your mother?
IA: Mother was a good shot. Daddy got her a,single barrel shot-gun and thereused to be so manywild pheasant up in-that section of the country. Dust the wd bird. And she could pop one those birds off at any time. Always get a bird come in with a string of birds and fish. At that time, the fish were coming above Elk River. Elk River was the town that was put in after Mr. CO. Trumbull's father took up the homestead up at Elk River as a homestead and took his family out mAthat part of the country to live. And when he first went out there, there were no fish in the upper portion of the stream. See, there are two falls down below. Have you been down there, falls?
SAM: I' ve never seen the falls, just pictures of it.
IA: You have seen the pictures of The upper falls is much.higher, and ithas worn out as it goes down, worn out a very deep basin underneath where the water hits it. And here about, oh, I imagine ten- twelve years ;ago, there were a couple of youngsters from Lewiston were up in that part of the country, and one of them decided he was going bathing in that pool, not realising there'd be an awful suction under there. He was drowned. They rescued the one boy, but the one boy was drowned in the pool. The lower falls its not as high and not as steep. We have pictures over at the house. My sister and Bernadine and Lou and I were seated at were standing rather: the rocks of the lower falls. It's a very good picture of the falls. I have it somewhere around, I don't know where it is now. Somewhere around, I have a picture of the falls.
SAM: Do you remember Trumbull's family.
IA: very well. Trumbull attended the university here and Can McConnellBush, the governor's youngest daughter and were qqite chummy. And Mrs. Arnette had asked usto go out to the cabin with her at Creek . Her father owned a bunch of meadows up in through there and run cattle on the meadows in the summer. So she liked to go up and stay ©t the cabin, and she invited my sister and I to go up with her. Carrie Bush and we went up to spend the summer with Carrie, and when Mrs. Trumbull found out that we were in that part of the country, she said,"There's a Fourth of Duly coming along and I'd like to have the whole bunch come over and spend the weekend with me on the Fourth of july. So we went otfer and spent the weekend with Trumbulls', the Fourth of july, and Mr. Trumbull said,"We're going to give you a real treat." He said,"I sent back..." I think Pennsylvania, his home state and ordered stocking for the Elk River for planting in the creek, and he said,'JThey came in this spring and I planted them, and no one has been allowed to fish in there until you girls. And he said," I'll fix you up lines and poles and you can have your first fish." So we got fish enough for- family up there. a-first fish from Elk River. He was determined to let us have all we wanted.
BAC: They were trout, weren't they?
IA: Uh, huh. I think graduated from the university here, but I'm nothe had positive of that, because-an impediment of speech and stuttered quite badly, and went back East to some school for correction and when he came back then, he went back to university again here and I think, finished from here, but I'd have to have old books to There were no daughters, there was just CQ. and his father and his mother, and there was an older person with them, but I don't know just who they were at that time.
SAM: Did people go to Trumbull's as a resort?
IA: They did in later years because Trumbulls' had quite large cabins builtaround and they used to go there a great deal for their, in the summertime. It was beautiful woods, and the fishing was wonderful. You could just catch anything you wanted and if you were hunting, you could have all the birds you wanted if you could get out and find them. We always had plenty of birds had a picture of Mr. O when he was coming in hunting trip with our father and he has his birds hanging down like this with his gun and his birds down. I think he had sixteen or twenty birds on thei+- one string. He always took my mother along when he went hunting because she was such a good shot. Bernadine wasn't a good shot, but she could tree the birds. We didn't tell you about that the other day, did we?
SAM: I don't think so.
IA: When I had this little cabin out on the Forty-Nine Meadow country andBernadine was spending the summer with me and we started off down to th€ spring and it was the first time I started off without my,revolver my belt. Mr. Sedsy that lived with us over here at the house, gave me a .38 special revolver and he said,"Now when you go out on the trail, no matter where you go at all, you carry this gun strapped around your waist. And you always carry it with one empty cartridge." He said,"That way, if anything happens, if you're climbing over logs or anything like that, and anything does happen, and your gun goes out of the cartridge, you are protected with the one." So I always carried the one extra shot along with me. We started out to the that morning and I forgot to take my gun. We got about half-way to the inthese native pheasants... if you don't-our native pheasants here, you don't know how curious they are.They get up above and if anything disturbs them, they immediately hit for a high spot. And they'll watch from this high spot for whatever is bothering them down below. And so, my sister says,"Well, you go back and get the gun and I'll tree the bird." And she watched the bird. And she stood there and made little noises. Dust enough to keep him busy.. She at him just enough to keep him entertained while I went back to the cabin and got the gun. We had bird that evening for dinner, we liked the bird. She treed the bird. We've always teased her about it.
SAM: Were the Bovills there, when ybufcwere out in that country?
IA: Oh, no. They came in much after that. The Bovills came in quite a bitafterward. Some of the old papers had an article, and I might have the article in the basement, but I haven't o,one through, that old stuff. trying to go through and get it sorted out. Bovills came in when the two girls were eight and ten years old. Dorothy and Gwendolyn were about eight and ten years old. And Mr. Bovill took it up as a cattle range. He was from England and taking in this part of the country, he decided would make wonderful cattle range for summer time up there. t So he broughcattle down from Canada, and shipped them in and used them. And they had only been short time until so many people began to come in and build cabins around the town near the town,»v they soon built up quite a trade for the homesteadersthrough that section of the country. Mrs. Bovill was the superintendent, not the superintendent, but the trustee of the school district up there and Mr. the man who I had my rooms at the otel, was anotertrustee. And his brother-in-law, Mr. Wallen, lived on Wallen's Meadow you come to Wallen's Meadowsbefore you come to our home stead, before you come to Collins. Clara Ransom Davis was the county superintendent in Latah. County and when I finished high school, I wanted to teach. That was my idea, that'd it'd be a good ideanto go into teaching. And so, I went up and talked to her and she said,"Well, I can't, all I can give you is a permit." She said,"I can't give a regular teacher's certificate, I can give a permit until the next examination comes. Then you'11 have to take the examination and if you make the examination, why then you can have your certificate." But she said,"I'll do that for you because you know all these people out there and I figure it would be perfectly all right if we would do it that way." So she gave me my first certificate. And I went out in the spring, soon as the water went down so could get through the roads up there decently. Mrs. Bovill sent word up to me that she was giving a party, a birthday party for her two children, and she'd like very much me come down. She said,"Dismiss your school and come down this afternoon, and spend the afternoon with' us." Well, that sounded like a good idea to me, so I got on my horse and dismissed my school and started off down the road to Bovill. About half-way between Collins and Bovill, I met the county superintendent and ,a friend of hers coming out to visit my school. I dismissed my school. I had " youngsters all scattered over hell's five acres out there. It was a mess. She said,"But I've driven all this day." She said," It took me day to get here." She started out, she had a single horse and buggy, and the friend. And they stopped I think about, wellAright near where Deary would be now. It was the old Doe place at that time.And they stopped at the old Doe Wells place and stayed all night and drove in the next day. Well then, she was expecting to start back that evening and get caught up on her way home, so she wouldn't have to take the full day coming on home. So there was nothing to do but get ahold of one of my youngsters and corral the rest of them and we finally got them back into the school; we could demebnstrate that we could at least teach school. And, oh, I missed that party. Here I had three of the trustees of the school of all had permission for me to stop to dismiss the school and go on down to the party.
SAM: Do you think Mrs. Ransom wasput out to see you coming down to Bovill?
IA: I don't doubt that. I think she was thinking of all the time it took themto make it from Moscow to Deary, and to make it from Deary on in to that section of the country. I think she was very jmuch digusted to think that any teacher would havthe audacity to dismiss her school and go off like that attend a birthday party. Of course there's the fact that it was one of the trustees of the school that was giving the party and had asked me to come down, and had giveme permission to come down. So I felt perfectly all right, as far as I was concerned, but she didn't like it.
SAM: When you went out and the family went out to the homestead did you ridehorseback out there, or did you; take a hack?
BAC: A surrey with the fringe on top.
IA: He had a farm out here. Let's see if 1 can locate it for you. It's on theplace road to the airport when you go down pasT the Hagedorn .and over across country to the airport. And my father's farm was right on the corner as you make quick turn and start back west again towards the airport. So we always had horses and we had buggies. Being a doctor, he used single horses orha double team if he was going any distance at all. We always had horses. I can't remember when we didn't drive or ride. We'd both ride horseback and we'd drive horses.
SAM: Was it a two day trip for you to get there?
IA: We usually left here about four o'clock in the morning and that seems veryearly. And the roads were very poor, so you took your time to it. first stop was usually at what's called the Anderson bridge. Now whether that's the Anderson bridge still now...
SAM: I know where that is exactly. Not too far west of Deary.
IA: No. we'd stop there and feed the horses and take care of the team,and then pack up agiain after we'd had our lunch and fed the horses and usually we'd make it on the next day to Collins. We'd make it later in the evening to Lollins. We always made it in time, but once we had a big surprise there. My father had given Frank Wallen, had this homestead and farm down on what was called the Wallen Meadows, just up...
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IA: ...west of the, yes you're still going west when you go to Wallen Meadows.And then you turn, go to the northern direction for Collins and the Collins country. I havein my own mind, but it's very hard for me to tell you unless you have these old places as we remember them. At any rate, Frank was going out one spring, and dad said to him,KFrank, I want you to take a sack of potatoesand put in the cabin for me for my family when they come out. Dust put it inside the cabin, I think it will be all right." And Frank said he'd take it out there cabin. So he took the potatoes, and put them/in the cabin and when we went out, we began to look around for potatoes. Only, we didn't see anything that looked like potatoes. We didn't know what tdkhink about it. And all of a sudden we noticed little bumps along the cracks in the walls, you know how these cabins are chiniked the you remember how '.. cabins are chinked in. Dad had made mother's especially attractive because she didn't like to be out there anyway. So he had the lining put in it, house lining. The whole cabin was lined with this house lining that made it much lighter. Then we could decorate it as we pleased, fix it up. Anyway, we had the cabin lined. One of us happened to discover that there was bumps in the lining along the wall. We began investigating and we found that the packrats had backed all the potatoes that we had, and carried them in and put them along the chinks in the cabin. We got most of our potatoes back and they were still usable, but we had to steal them back from the packrats.
SAM: What's house lining? Oh, it's like a cheesecloth.
IA: It's heavier than what they call cheesecloth now. Cheesecloth was quitea bit thinner than this house lining. The house lining was unbleached muslin type of material. You could just tack it on and take it in in strips, I imagine right close to a yard wide. You'd tack it down. Ue did a good job of that when we to fix it in the winter. We had to fix it all up for the mice, for the rats. They had a good time on that.
SAM: You said your mother wasn't so excited about being out there.
IA: If she could help by living out there... if she could assist in anvlaaygetting his homestead right, applied on that, she was willinq to take the children ? and live, during the summer months. She didn't enjoy it. She did the very best she could, kept us out there, took care of us so weAalways had plenty to eat.
IA: And we were comfortable. The cabin had an upstairs, it had a loftthat was high enough that when you were in the cabinyou could stand with out bumping into the ceiling. We had two beds upstairs, and mother and we always had some company for mother, some friend of hers that would be with her during the summertime She would stay with mother in the upstairs apartment, in the loft. We had two or three beds upstairs. And then, as the family increased and more friends came in, dad had a bacn built across the road from the cabin. He had this barn built in through there and had this meadowgrass ,beargrass, do you know beargrass? You know how good a mattress a beargrass mattress is. We'd make beargrass mattresses, down on the meadow and down around the edge of the mountain and make mattresses, and up gunny sacks and make, good, big mattress.
BAC: And pine boughs.
IA: Oh, yes. Pine boughs to put underneath it to make it springy.
BAC: Would you like to rest a little? Have a cup of tea? (To IA)
IA: Me? I'm not...
SAM: We could maybe later.
BAC: You wanted to hear something about the 1910 fire, didn't you?
IA: I have to go back so far. In 1910, the fires were all through, you'll findin the papers, all the papers are referring back to the year of the fire of 1910, all through this section of the country. Long in August, you'll find articles inthe papers referring. Mrs. Durham had a homestead and I had a homestead two land a half, three miles the other side of her and Mrs. Taylor wanted me to come over and spend week with her. We used to change around so's to get company to different homesteaders around here. So I went over to stay with Mrs. Taylor. During the daytime, it was quite cloudy, hazy. Of course,,we'd never been in the woods and never had been near the fire, had no idea, really, what to expect in that section Pot the country and we didn't know the reports they were getting from out here that there no trails going in that were open, that you could get into where these homesteaders were, or anything like that. My father got quite excited, and he went as far as Clarkia and tried to get someone from Clarkia to take him out to the homestead to see if we were all right on the homestead. They wouldn't allow him to go on in, the rangers and that wouldn't allow him to go on in. So , he said he'd just have to wait til he got word from there. I got up one morning, and it was quite hazy. Usually in the morning it would clear off a-little while, and then that haze would drop in again. So that began to worry us about that time. I got up one morning and saw a deeracross the edge of the meadow, and why I ever thought I wanted to get a deer is more than ,.m ,.: know. At any rate, I fired at the deer, but my aim was anything but good, and old Betsy wouldn't help me out on that, either, '..jhen my arm wouldn't get the direction. deer went running off the other way. I didn't have a deer.
Shortly after that, Mrs. Taylor got up. She said,"I don't like this haze.I think we go back over to the other homesteaders and see what they think about this hazy condition that we're having." Well before we got ed things pack.around and in the cabin to go, there was a knock at the front door of the cabin and Mrs. Taylor threw a robe around her and went to the door and here was theforest ranger for that section of the country, and he wanted to know if there any trails going any further east then where we were. We said the only trail we kngw one that east-Mrs. Taylor's cabin. We had been worrying about this hazy condition and it'd gone over where the cabinv clear and out from under the timber more and had gone over to stay at what was the Kit Cawkins(?) cabin. We decided to stay over there tillwe ieup our minds to go back over to the other homesteaders or not. There they were, the ranger and everything,, And he said,"We have a crew of fourteen menhere and they haven't had breakfast yet." He said if we go over to Mrs. Taylor's cabin and get a fire started get something to the fire. So we said we would and they said they'd take anything that we needed from there and I suppose they had a cook/jwith the camp, but they lost him along the way and they thought he'd catch up in a day ur so. If we'd just take over, thfty see it was taken care of, that the govern ment paid for it. So we went over with them. And that was our first experience with the fire is going with the packhorses and going with these men and packing across the river and getting a campfire set up, and cooking potatoes for fourteen men. Do you have any idea how many potatoes men eat?
BAC: You made the bread, too.
IA: they eat an awful lot of potatoes. We had, they give me a bucket, and I'dtake it down to the creek and scrub these potatoes and bring themover the hooks on the: fireplace and boil the potatoes. And sometimes there'd be boiled potatoes with bacon and gravy or anything that you could get. Can of tomatoes was awfully good out that way. The men liked tomatoes very much. Especially if you can get. Do you know what
SAM: I don't think so.
IA: A is these old timers and the old campers always had their flour sack,so that when you opened it up inside of this would be a soft mass of dough. They would use the sourdough for starting it and then they'd put it into this flour and then mix it up and that would beraising for your your bread, or whatever you used. Sometimes you could fry itnin a big, frypan and brown it on both sides, cook it til it was thoroughly heated and done through. Then you could use it with gravy ortomatoes or use it with tomatoes and anything else you could think of that you could get someone to eat, never hungry. If they were hungry.
SAM: Did this crew make this cabin their headquarters for fighting the fire?
SAM: It was just on their way through.
IA: We went from our place to Mrs. Taylor's place, that was her cabin. When theysaid they had to break trail and go on about three miles farther that they thought that they were detecting the begining of the fire there and they wanted to know if we would go over with them if they, gave us transportation , and all.aWe went with them and we slept that night, well, hardly that, because they tied their horses, they put a log across and tied ' horses to these logs,pthese rails between the trees and then they fixed us a bed this side of the horses. If you've ever slBpt in a barn, you know how restless horses are and you didn't get very much rest. Well then the next time, they took us about three miles farther than that. This time we had to cross the main Little North Fork of the Clearwater up there. So this time they had took in a tent for the ladies and put up a tent for the ladies. They put it on the,,, which would it be... it would be on the right side of the creek. They had gone out that afternoon and brought in sixty short-termers from Missoula, Montana and brought those in for firefighters. So they decided that they would leave us on the other side of the creek and they put the prisoners over on the other side. We did that.
BAC: You had fourteen and sixty to ; cook for then. Two people.
IA: We had. stayed across the street, across the river, for two days. And thenthe ranger decided he'd move us across on the other side, the sameside as the prisoners,/! that he would leave someone at the prisoners camp all the time. But we tol him we didn't want to stay on that side of the canp with the prisoners. He said that would be all right then, he'd try and get someone. Well brought in two young people, one by the name of Collins. Eustas Collins was one. They were two English boys that'd just landed in Spokane and saw a sign on the window'Firefighters wanted.. Register here'. So they went in and registered. And they came.out to the camp then. When they registered they brought them out to our camp. asked Mr. if there would be any objection having these two little Englishmen stay in the camp with us. Leave two off of the firefighting camp and stay with us. He said no, he didn't. He wanted to know if there was any reason why and we told him yes, there'd been one or two of these Negros that had been sliding back into camp after they'd been gone for maybe an hour or so and came back into camp and just hung around camp. And we didn't like the idea, and we wanted to know if they wouldn't leave us a couple of guards I you'd call it, companions anyway, and stay there and they'd be all right, if we could have those two boys. So we took the two boys. They both had very good voices, singers. We enjoyed them very much.
BAC: Tell him about those tomatoe cans.
IA: This one Negro that was, as I said, came sliding back into camp every oncein a while. One day he came over to the camp, where Mrs.Taylor was standing and I was near the table with her and he said"Miss Adair, do you carry that thing around your waist all the time?" said,"I do. It's with me day and night. I always wear it." "Can you shoot that thing?" And 1 said,"Well, I think I can." I said,"You want to put a sign up there?" And he said he would and I Isaid all right. "You take that tomato can, A with the big red tomato on the side of it, and you putout on the end of the table, and I'll see if I can hit it." So I got Betsy all ready and I said to Betsy,."Good Lord, if you ever helped me, help me ;now." I said, "I want to hit that tomato" And I shot and hit ' tomato on that can. And he looked at me and he said,"You can use that thing." And I said,"Yes I can use that thing." I said good-bye and that was the last time he came into camp, never came back into camp after that. So I proved that I could use a gun if I had to.
SAM: Were many of those prisoners Negros?
IA: Yes, a qood many of them. They came in from Missoula,Montana. They wereshort-time prisoners A the carnp„ The majority, of them were Negros of the camp that they brought in. That's why we were just a little bit leery, we always asked one of the men to leave these two men with us because if we we were going to stay there, we ' ujG should have the protection. Mr. found what these Negros had been doing and sliding back into camp and just lazing around instead of fighting fire, he decided that something would have to be done about it,too. bo he did.
SAM: What were the work conditions like for you?
IA: After we got these two men to help us, then they kept us supplied with woodand all the fuel for the campfires and for the, you had to cook over the big fires, there was no other way. You cooked ,a bucket or a kettle or some container large enough to a mess of potatoes or vegetables of different kinds that would take care of that many men.
BAC: Didn't you have to make lunches for them at noon?
IA: We had to fix abig lunch, Bernadine. lt was apancake. It was asourdoughhotcake, you fried thenv.in the morning and gave them to the men with bacon or ham or a slice of meat, and that's about all you can give the men that they could take out for lunch. And then we'd have dinner ready,for them when they got back in in the evenings. We got paid for forty-one days and some extra. I forgotten what the little extra was for. The government paid us that for cooking for those men for a month.
BAC: How much were you paid?
IA: Forty-one dollars and some cents, that's what Uncle Sam said he owed uswhen we got through.
SAM: Did you find that to be exciting or just a lot of hard work?
IA: No, it was excitement. Agreat deal of excitement because - never knewwhen you got up in the morning whether the wind was bringing the fire your way or taking it some other way. And you always had guards out. And in case the wind changed, they'd come back into camp and notify us, and we'd have to cross the river and go on the other side and stay until the wind had changedfsb they felt that we could go back to the other side of the camp, where we had been before. It was exciting, very exciting. Ybu never knew whether you were going to be in your own bed that night or whether you were going to be on a a bed across on the other side.
SAM: Did you have changes of clothing or did you have to stay in the same clothesfor days and days?
IA: We had to wear the same clothes for days and days. We, I usually used myriding skirts and when they'd get tdjjdirty.and smoky and greasy, I'd try to rinse them out down at the stream and get them dried out and press them out as much as you can with your hands while theyVe- still wet. Undercould clothing you did very well if youkeep your underclothing clean. You certainly did need it when you'reout like that.
BAC: Well, once the fire was close enough to you, that when you came home, youreyebrows were singed and your hair was singed. Many people were burned to death.
SAM: You mean that all that time, your father and mother didn't know what hadhappened?
BAC: Yes, there were lots of people being burned to death.
IA: They didn't know exactly where we were or what had happened.
BAC: Nor did you.
IA: Nor what to do. They were keeping these rangers out in these distant ,they tried to keep .'.the people out in this part of the country notified as nearly as possible. But when you , you can't tell when it... We stopped in a man by the name of Flowers had a homestead "' next to Mrs. Durham's. He was coming out to town to bring an uncle of his from Iowa, an old gentle man that had spent the summer with him out there, and he wanted to take him back and put him on the train to Iowa
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IA: ... when Mr. Flowers went down to take his uncle, that we would go down toAvery and see what information we could get, or if we would be able to get O information out to our parents from there. Sowalked, and it was twenty-eight miles from Mr. Flowers' homestead into Avery. We walked this twenty-eight miles and we got down to the bridge at Avery, which crosses the St. Doe River, and just as we were starting across the bridge here, Mr. Flower was stopped by, well, I suppose it was an official, officially stopped because he was in uniform and he said,"You can't go into Avery." And he spoke up andaid,"Well, we can't go back where we come from."And we said what are we going to do? Said he wasn't sure about that. e said,vl Vfell, we'll go over here and see what information we can get, what we can do for you. So we went across with them. There was a big smiley man came up and he said "Where are you in from?" And I said,"We're in from the Forty-Nine Meadow country." He said,"I know you. My mother's-, been sending piecesr- making quilts to you all winter long and she said at Avery and you get it, you make quilt pieces out of it." And I said yes, that's what we've been doing. I said we'd been getting quilt pieces and I said you must be Ben Baird And he said,"I am." He said; right, I think we ,can do you pretty well. He said, "We'll put you on top of this caboose here, on the back of the train and the caboose at the end of the train ande'll put you on the back of this caboose." And he said,"rom the looks of you, I you'd like bowl of hot water and some soap." We said we sure would. So he put us on the top of these caboose things and we crawled up on there and he said,"Now nobody coming through here but me. You don't need to worry. You just go.right ahead." So we got a good bath, a good sponge bath andclean clothes on that night. He said the next day we're going to go down towards Tekoai and he said there's one bridge out down below here, and by the time we get to this bridge, they may have it built across soyou can get across, therwise, we'll just have to take you across the best way we can. He said we'll put you on the train that goes into
After we'dhad our bath and he took us down to another place where the railroad men all ate and they gave us a good meal and he told uswe could stay on the caboose,, that night, Mr. Flowers would stay and his uncle would stay on the caboose with usi so that we would feel more comfortable. He said/ you'll stay all night and tomorrow morning we'll try and make it across this bridge down into Tekoa So the next morning we got up and after hotcakes with the railroaders, we went on down and across what was left of this old bridge. S0me of the timbers were still there that you could step from one to the other and make it across. At any rate, we made it across and got on the train that took us down to Tekoa' . We got into Tekoai; and ;, we asked about what time the men started, what time the railroad started for Moscow. He said,"Well, sorry, but you just the train starting Moscow start . .. Moscow." He said,"You missed it." l said nobody told us that we had to be on the lookout for that. He said that unless someone had that you were coming, that I couldn't have made that. But at any rate, went ini, to talk to the man at the depot there. And he said,"Aren't you the two girls from Moscow?" We said yes. He said,"Well you don't need any money, train take you down there. You don't need any money. on to Moscow then. We came up Third street here, walking up with hobnail they did rattle on those sidewalks when youtcome up. We made home Myrtle was very much worried about .. mother becausemother was still back out at the cabin. So Myrtle stayed with me then untilmother gotinto this part Of the country. They finally got everyone all sorted out and put in.
BAC: Did you tell him that Avery was under nlarshall law and they had a switchingup and down the tracks during the night?They swithced the train up and down between fires?
IA: It was under marshall law. They'd taken all the women and children out ofAvery at that time, that was a division point. They took all the women and children off andfleftMa few men there as guards. So that's the reason that Ben L, Baird was very particular where he put us. He gave us a choice seat in the caboose. It was exciting, not knowing where you were going nor what you were going to do. When we left the Meadows that morning to walk down to Avery the only thing we had to put our clothing in was a little salt sack. Like you used to get little sacks of salt. So I put a brush and a comb and pair of clean stockings and a handkerchief and a bandana in my sack, and fixed hers up equally good. So we had cleanstockings to put on that evening, when we did get a chance to get cleaned up. It sure felt good after walking the twenty-eight miles on those dusty trails.
SAM: You must have felt like a different person when you got to Moscow with allthe things that you had seen and done?
BAC: so did the family.
SAM: The family did too? hat do you mean?
BAC: We were rejoicing because we had had no news and just every paper had anaccount how men were burned to death.
SAM: Would your father stay in Moscow during the summer with his practice whilethe family was out at the homestead?
IA: He came out every weekend or tried to come out every weekend and spend...He'd drive out Saturday afternoons and come back Sunday morning or early Monday morning. He'd usually spend a couple of days out there with us so that mother had company and she could enjoy dad's company and would go hunting with him and all. He liked it very rruch. That's where we had the bear I told you the other day, that the bear got away. Was I telling you about the bear?
SAM: Y0u told me about the bear in Moscow.Is that when he got away?
IA: Dad had him out in the back yard over at the big place,/f anchored out thereto a tree. He got away someway and dad came home at noon to feed the bear, and found him on the top of mother's dining room table, looking at a glass that went the top of the table. My father yelled at him."Burt, get off of that." And fcurt got slid across the top of the table. It did leave nasty spots. The thing started off when he went up the stairs, the big stairway over there and he went up the stairs and dad after him, trying to catch him. And the bear could go up the stairs faster than dad could. He (interruption by outsiders)
...Said he could go fast either way. But at any rate, he got him down andgot him tied up again. The next day, he came back, and here was the bear loose again. This time he got loose and went to that maple tree just south of the bay windows out here on the front what we called.: the front parlor. He went out there and the bear had decided to climb that tree. He got up the tree all right, but then he got caught/J got his chain caught around the little limbsand he couldn't get loose and dad couldn't get up to get him. So dad says,"There's only one way I know to get a bear out of a tree, that's to call the Fire Department." So he called the Fire Department and told them he had a bear up a tree up there, wanted to know if they had any good climbers that could come and get him. And before long, the whole caboodle of firemen were up and they made a big todo about getting this bear out of the tree, and so forth. They had picture of the bear at the time, but I don't know after all these years, whether I can .find them or not.
SAM: Where did the bear come from?
IA: Mr. Birch, a friend of dad's, was a hunter and he was hunting out anMoscow Mountain.and he found the den. with the mother bear and th3 little bear in it. The bear was small enough, that when he put it in his coat pocket, he had a big overcoat pocket, he just it down in overcoat pocket and he brought the mother and the bear both down together. The bear, as I understood it, went to a butcheil shop. The little bear came to my father because they thought dad would like to have that little bear. So dad liked to have the litti bear, but as the bear grew older, he began to show vicious streaks and we were afraidhe might attack my sister, little one played with him so much. Dad was afraid he might injure her in some way, so he wanted to get rid of him and Pete Griffith was the head of the ath letic department in Moscow jat the university and he wrote back to who took his place at the university when Mr. Griffith went east, and told himhe'd like to get a bear for the mascot fornlowa University. Dad said,"I have a bear he can have." So Middleton and some friends of his packed the bear and put him in a cage till they could ship him and they shipped him back to the University of Iowa. And they had him there for three or four years and they said.he finally began ,to show the real bear traits, tH wrestling with these ath' letes. He decided/,he was still a bear. finally got to the age where they said they had to get rid of him. So they had him.stuffed and he's in the museum at Iowa Univ ersity. To the best of our knowledge, that was the report that cane out
SAM: Wasn't there a time you had a visitor from Spokane who had a runinwith the bear?
IA: Yes, I did. I was telling you that the other day, think My sister's beau camedown from Spokane. And he liked the bear and was having a pretty good tussle with not knowing what to expect and the first thing he knew, he'd slipped with his pant leg from one end down to the other,slipped it clear down. Well, my father was a much larger man than O.E. Dad hustled around until he found a pair of trousers he thought he could keep him in until we could get him down to the. Mr. Yangles , and see if he couldn't get the trousers patched, so that he could go home that night. That's what they did. I mention Mr. Yangle, Mr. Yangle was the, of Mr. Yangle, the tailor here, and he was the one that fixed the trousers for O.E. so that he could get back up to Spokane on it. That was Yangle's father.
SS: Did you girls play with that bear regularly?
BAC: He was quite playful and he loved water. We had the hydrants thatcame up in the yard, you know. He'd stand there and he'd spray himself and." if you went to turn off the water, he'd put his paw.
IA: He knew exacltly how to do it,too.0A6: What are some questions you wanted to afeik her?
SAM: One thing I was going to have you tell me about was how your fathercame to buy the mansion.
IA: My father was in the bank, went down to the First National Bank andhe was well acquainted with the cashier at the first National Bank. The cashier said to him,"Doctor, how'd you like to have a big .. house?" And dad said,"I'd like to have a big house ." He said,"My wife's been wanting one..-The cottage we in istoo small for the family." We were living up on Third street at that time. And he said,"I would like to have a larger one." But he said,"I car..t afford to make a change." And there was a man standing right near him and he said,"Doctor don't you have a homestead up near Bovill?" And dad said,VYes, I took up a homestead when . Homestead Act went through." He said, We've been spending our summers out there every summer since then." And Mr. Pearson says,"I'm Mr. Pearson from the Madison Lumber Company." That was the begining of the Potlatch/jCompany in this part of the country. It came out here as the Madison Lumber Company first. Then they opened up the big mill at Potlatch and bought up all that timber up in through theretn- the Potlatch Lumber Company. Mr. Pearson said,"I'11 go out and look at your place. If it's anything I think we can use,would you like to sell it?". My father said,"Yes, I would." He said,"I'11 buy it for you on one condition. If you get a larger house, would you let me have a room. I'm so tired of living in hotels. I'd just like to have a room in a home." Dad said,"I think my mother can take care of that all right." She had plenty of room up there. So that's the way it was, Mr. Pearson gave dad the offer for the property and dad took up the offer with Madison Lumber Company which paid for the timber on the claim and they had it... One of the requisites wasas long as my father or the family wished to spend the summer on the homestead,they had the privilege of living onnn fthhoe hhnommoeos-htpeaardi ftoorr the home. So that's why we kept it after it mastoid and we still had the property.
SAM: And Mr. Pearson came to live...
IA: We always went out and spent our summers there.
BAC: That's the way daddy bought the house.
IA: That's the way-got the big house, because Mr. Pearson said he wasbuy the propert nend make the exchange, and dad said,"Yes, Ican do it that way." So they did. Wb have the picture of the banker down here, W.L. Paine and his wife and his two children. They spent a week with us out there on the homestead.
BAC: Mrs. McConnell stayed out there one summer too.
SAM: Stayed out with your mother?
BAC: Uh huh. And Mrs. McConnell, when they were getting things ready for themuseum...Tell Sam how you happen to have Mrs. McConnell's picture. Mrs. McConnell was camera shy.nd we had this little Kodak picture that we took out at the homestead. She was very dressy. Even out,in the woods she wore(Unihtelligible) around her neck. I think I have a picture of her. There was this picture of McConnell and my mother and my little sister. So we took that at Mr. Ott's. He thought Mrs. McConnell's picture made a very nice picture.
IA: He used the little picture.
BAC: It was tiny.
IA: Isn't that queer? None of the McConnells had a picture of their mother.None of them had a picture of their mother that they could use. They were trying to get a picture of all the ladies, the governors' wives back in the older generation, going back, and they were trying to get them and they came around and asked if I didn't have one, on't you have anything? And I finally happened to think of this old album that I had, just a little Kodak album to paste your in and this one had shown Marjorie as a small youngster and mother standing beside Mrs. McConnell and Mrs. McConr.ell standing between the two. It was a very fine picture of her. So we got the picture of Mrs. McConnell.
SAM: What kind of a person was Mrs. McConnell?
IA: She was a timid, a shy person. She just didn't like political life. Andwhen Mr. McConnell went down as the governor, she didn't want to go. She had her home here and she wanted to stay in Moscow. She had her friends here. She didn't want to go to Boise. And she was not politically minded. But she was a shy woman, just timid. And none of the children ever were.
SAM: Which of the daughters went down and acted as hostess for him when hewas governor?
IA: She went down. Mamie went down and worked as a hostess for Mr. McConnellwhen he was in Boise. And she did the honors there and Mrs.McConnell took care of the home here.
BAC: She met Senator Borah there. That's where they were married.
IA: Course, she met Senator Borahwhile she was working for her father inBoise. He had two sons. Young Ben and he was petuliar/iyoungsters. Young Ben went back east and whenever Ben went anywhere, young Bill went with him. Ben was a large man and a fine looking man. And. Ben and Will was a small man. And just, well, you'd never take them for brothers at all. Ben wanted to back to a medical school and so they put him in a school back eastand ha graduated fromschool there, I think it was Rush, but I'm not sure. At any rate, Ben graduated. And when Bill came west, after having been back with his brother in the east, he decidedhe was going into mining instead of becoming a doctor. So he went in and invest igated the mines and did all he could to try and make up his mind one way or the other. And then the older one, when he came west decided to
IA: get up and make it into the saddle, but he couldn't make it, so what hedid was to turn the horse loose and let the horse go back, if he would make its own way back. So he did, and Ben lay out there for two days. I think it was over two days in that drizzling rain. And as a result of that... come to Montana and join the ...what was it...
BAC: He never practiced medicine.
IA: Well he decided when he came west he started west, and he came as far asMontana and.he liked the woodsthan he the idea of being a doctor. So he went int the forestry work. Ben was on a horse... let's see if I can get it straight,Ben was on a horse and started off on some sieb tripo some kind, and the horse slipped and fell and threw Ben and caught his leg under the horse so that he wasn't able to get help himself and he tried to.
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IA: Tuberculosis. And he was... at that time they were living just back ofthe Methodist church. There is of the Methodist church. It's been built on since then, just back of it. Between and what was the parsonage. Between those two places. man by the name of an attorney here in Moscow and a couple of sisters that wanted to come west and live with him that year. So he built this house just back of the Methodist church and the two sisters came and lived with him. And when they went back east then, he rented the house, and the McConnell's were the first people to live in the house. Then they moved the house up on the street corner of Polk and Dackson? No. UanBuren. It's the next at up. vanBuren. And they moved the houseon the top of the hill and McConnell's still lived in that when Mr. Bush and Mrs. Bush were married. And they moved up on the Burns place, up on B street.
SAM: What happened to Ben?
IA: He died. You mean Ben the brother?
IA: Ben the brother died. And as far as I know, Will the brother was dead, butno one seems to be very...
BAC: He just took off.
IA: He was just one of these people that did as he pleased, that was all. Ifhe wanted to work in the mines, he work in the mines. He was in the a fire at some hotel in;it was either Wallace or Kellqpe one time he was quite badly injured. He limped quite a bit from the injuries in this, from this mine. But we never saw him onlyA once in a while he'd appear home. Come; in and see the family and then off again.
BAC: They never knew where he was.
IA: When they lived down here, back of the Methodist church, it was just beforeBen died that Will came home and he said hedecided he wanted to come home and stee what the family doing. And very soon after that, Ben was dead. And then they always felt badly about that because it seemed like every time Bill would come home, there was always some tragedy afterwards. Once, later when his father lived up on vanBuren and Third street in that house up there, and that's before his father died. Dust before his father died, Bill appeared onnscene one evening, just decided only to come home and see what the family was doing. It was a shortime after that that his father was dead. He just wanted to see his father, see how he was. Bill was a queery. He just had different ideas of life.
BAC: Would you like a cup of tea?
BAC: I thought you would like a cup of tea, but 've let the teakettle burndry.
SAM: Do you remember Governor McConnell very clearly? I'm wondering whatkind of a fellow he was.
IA: He was a straight politician. He was a politician from one inch to theother. That was his business and he was. He was a jolly, a jovial man. I think you've seen his pictures.AAs I say, Mrs.McConnell was a timid little woman. She didn't like to, politics. She didn't like the life. The politician's life.
SAM: But the daughters were all together different. They took after thegovernor, would you say?
IA: Well 01iv;etook after her father. She was inclined to be short and chubby,and took more after her father. Mamie was Mrs.Borah, and she took after her mother. She was more timid, not as timid as her mother and she felt that she could take care of things for her father down there as well as her mother could. And that she would be able to do it. And she was. And she took over very well.Every was very fond of Mrs. Borah when she was in Boise. And Olive was a little short and chunky and Carrie, or Caroline as we always called her, was short, I think she was only about five-two five-and a half. And quite thin. She did have very good health. She had...dance and that isn't it.
SAM: Not epilepsy?
IA: No. It was a nervous affliction and was quite nervous. But it wasn'tepilepsy or anything like that.
BAC: She had poor health but was always up.
SAM: I don't want to stay too long.
BAC: She's L i to sound pretty hoarse.
(BAC offers SAM tea)
IA: There's so many things I could tell you, but I don't know where I startand where I could stop.
SAM: I'd like to come back again and wo could talk some more if it'd be okaywith you that would be a good way to do it.
IA: Mabel of the . Now whether she was a relative or. Mabel's.side, or whether it was Ward's family, the name was Warren and whether she was on the Ward's side or whether she was on Mabel's side of the family, I don't know. We used to be up there a great deal.
BAC: I think the next time you come in again, she should tell you about bowthey spent their time on the homestead and about the winters there, they were out there all winter.
SAM: Definitely. I'd like to hear that
BAC: Snowshoes and daddy insisted on us having exercises.
IA: What's that, Bernadine?
BAC: About old
SAM: We can do that the next time I come in. There's one story that maybeyou could tell me now, because I thought it was a great story when you told me it before, and that was, was that M.D. Shields you followed in town? That was a great little story.
BAC: And I know the one about the bff©m, the man on the stage. Did she tellyou that?
SAM: That story was about M.D. shiedls, right?
IA: M.D. Shields, by God. He used to wear one of those hats. those big beaver hats,Alookedlike crowns. He always wore that when he walked with a cane. We used to chase him up and down the street here, you know, keep behind him. Dust far enough behind him so we could hear what he was saying. Yet not enough to bother him. He be walking along the street, "I'm M.D. Shields,by God. I'm M.D. Shields, by God."
Would he be hitting his cane on the ground?
Each time he said it?
Emphasizing it. He had his own idea of his own importance. He wastalking to himself as he walked up the hill.
BAC: Well I know she's had a great lot of experience and that she's enjoyed itall. I think these last couple of years she hasn't been able to get in her garden like she like to, but she has marvelous memories.
SAM: There was a story that you told me when I was here before, I'm trying tothink what it was about. I think it was about driving the car out when you lost the muffler.
BAC: When you lost the muffler coming up from Lewiston, I think it was. Hewants to hear that story again.
IA: The muffler on the car.
SAM: I think we should save that for next time too. That's a long story too.
BAC: Do you listen to "60 Minutes" on television?
SAM: No....(pause in tape).
IA: Particularly she wrote to us saying that she was forgetting at fop,y-two andso I wrote back to her and I said,"Forgetting at forty-two? When you are eighty, what will you do? More things to remember, more things to tell. After all, Phyllis, b: 'thdays aren't hell'.'
BAC: That's the kind of things she ' '" right off the bat. I think it'swonderful.
SAM: Do you still have any(tape pauses here).
IA: Called the Forty-Nine Meadow country at that time. Those are boggy meadows.They never dry out almost like the Irish peat moss, I would imagine, You step on,Aa horse starts across those, you know very well that he's either going to go down or he's going to come up someplace else. And;you hope he comes up someplace else. The, there was a bunch of boys here in town at one time, three brothers went out on the Meadows. They decided that they were going to have just a pack, put on a pack and pack the horse and leave him out there. They just take care of the horse and see that he had plenty of food to eat, but they weren't going to feed him anything £il, grass and so forth. Well, they got those horses, the streams are down, how can I tell you about .? The little streams are as they go down, work in underneath and it's soggy underneath. And this horse went to go across the creek and didn't make it, and his hind parts went in under the edge of this bank. And the boys couldn't get him out. So they decided they'd do their own packing then. So they left the horse there. When Mr. Carter'got a man to stay out there with us and do odd jobs and come out once a month and pick up the mail for us out at Avery. He decided that it a good idea while he was out there during the winter time, to fur-trap. See if he couldn't get mink and otter and enough that with the price of thern/(he could make a little money on the side. So he decided that he could use Sylves. Sylves was what the boys called this horse up there that they had that.got away from them and went under. So he decided that the dayhe was going to use Sylves was the day that he was going to let us go on the trail following him. And he would walk ahead and Myrtle and I would come behind. We would bag of Sylves back of us and that would kill our tracks and his tracks would be obliterated by our tracks and all. So that's what he did. He'd set his trap and we'd go on ahead and pull this old piece of horsemeat over out tracks and not a very nice job. But still we did it. We thought we could do it and we wanted to get out, we wanted to have the excercise. My father said,"You are not going out there and sit down and eat hotcakes for morningnoon and night and come back a blob of flesh." He said,fl,You have to exercise." So we told Carter that we had to exercise, on certain days he had to take us out on these trips when he went. Sometimes it would be a fifteen mile trip around.
BAC: Sometimes on snowshoes.
IA: We'd get our exercise. So Carter woud say,"Sylves goes today." Sylveswent today, Myrtle and I went today. We tracked this old horse.
SAM: He would bait the traps with Sylves, too?
IA: Uh,huh. He would bait the trap with the horsemeat. Sylvester's meat, andtake care of it. He was the one I told you about the moon story.
SAM: Would you tell me that story again?
IA: you remember?
SAM: That one I only remember part of.
BAC: I think she shouldn't tell it.
SAM: Alright. We can leave it til next time.
IA: This man, Carter was running the stage between Santa and Clarkia. And upthe Santa and Fernwood,those are little stations between Clarkia and St. Maries. The only way that you could get, at that time, to St. Maries was by stage. You had to know the stage line when it was coming, and so forth. Carter had the stage driving up there for one winter. So one day, one winter day he came in to the station andhe had to go up to Santa to pick up a couple of teachers that were coming back. to Clarkia to try to rnakedown to this part of the country by coming into Avery and to Clarkia and Bovill anddown this part of the country. And that was their only way of getting through there was to make that stage connection. So he said he'd go up and pick them up. He went on up and he picked up these two teachers at Clarkia, at Santa. And on his way back,he came through Fernwood, the next little station through which is principally three saloons and a hotel that was usually all that was there. He came by, this man out in front was waving him down. He stopped to pick him up and to see what he wanted. The old fellow wanted to go down to Clarkia. Carter knew that he'd been imbibing too freely, he didn't dare put him in the cab with the ladies. So he decided tr boost him up oh the outside sit him up with Carter beside of him. Well, this old fellow was just overcome with the sight when he got up on the high seat and looking out across these meadows, and the shadows on the trees and all. It completely overwhelmed him. He didn't know what to do. He reached over, he just simply, himself someway. He reached over and he put his hand on Carter's knee and he said,"Carter, ain't it funny, ain't it damn funny on a nice night like thiswhen you don't need no moon, why thar she hangs.
BAC: I just love that.
IA: Carter said he came very nearly falling off the front seat. "On a nicebright night like this when you don't need no moon, why thar she hangs."
BAC: I've wanted for years to write that into the Reader's Digest. I thinkshe'd pull out a hundred dollars with that. She just doesn't want to fiddle around with that.
SAM: I'm going to go. I don't want to stay any longer. I enjoyed very muchtalking with you, but I don't want...
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Segment Synopsis: Her experience of the 1910 fire. The hazy conditions. As she and her friend prepared to seek out other Homesteaders, a fire crew arrived and enlisted their help to cook for them. Potatoes and bannock. Moving with the crew. Concern when short-term folks joined the crew - two men and her gun insured their protection. Pay. Excitement of the situation. Trying to stay clean. Parents didn't know what had happened to her.
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